Do you mean me Stealth ... well Medical profession is a bunch of ......., so are certain educational professionals ( and I am one of those), DH is being rubbish too... MIL could get in the firing line if she pokes her head up one more time, on the plus side made Mr Maker inspired plastic bottle aliens with dc, who are now covered in acrylic paint...and I mean covered, as are their clothes and quite a lot of the room....conversations with drs took longer than expected..... but all of that is another thread...thanks for asking though and listening!