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Lying to work again

93 replies

cherrycakesparkle · 24/08/2010 14:25

I posted on Sunday about my concerns over leaving my breastfed son to go to a work conference which would take me away from him for at least 19 hours. I didn't want to upset my relationship with my employer who might have taken a less than sympathetic view of me not wanting to attend because of this, so was considering lying and saying that I had a hospital appointment on the day of the conference so could not go. Not a particularly moral or correct thing to do, but hardly the worst crime either.

For those of you who did not read the thread, which you can still see, I was called pathetic - or rather my relationship with my son was - I mean, it takes a special kind of nasty person to say that about a mum and her baby; lame; a pathetic waste of space - that was from one poster whose posts in general seem to me to be brimming over with rage and bitterness and hate; a nasty piece of work, and horrible - from someone confused between horrible, and standing up for yourself - amongst other things. I was told that the problem lay with me, that actually I just couldn't be bothered to go to the conference and was using my son as an excuse.I simply couldn't believe the hatred and vitriol coming from the replies to my thread. Someone smugly informed that they had morals, whilst in the same breath told me in not so many words I was a bad mother and spoiling and mollycoddling my son.

I was also accused of running 'bleating' to mumsnet, 'crying and begging' to have the thread deleted.The playground language used here is stomach-turning.Sorry to disappoint you, but there was no crying or begging involved.I have asked them to delete it and they have agreed. As far as I can see it hasn't been done yet - am not planning to check again to be honest.The whole thing, actually, has made my skin crawl with the sheer nastiness of it. The hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness almost laughable - you must not lie, ever, but it's ok to hurl abuse at people online.

By the way, those of you who are employers - your employees lie to you. Not all of them, not all of the time, but they do.You're naive to believe otherwise.

I hold my hand up and say that I reacted in kind to those who attacked me.Yeah, I was spiteful. If you insult me, I'm going to give exactly what I get. I stand up to bullies. Sorry. And make no mistake, having lurked and posted on mumsnet sporadically for the last year or so, my thread was one of the nastiest examples of bullies rounding on a poster I have ever seen. Pages and pages and pages of insults. Some generated by me, but only in retaliation. I think many of you are sadly hardened to that kind of behaviour on here. My husband read the thread yesterday and was genuinely appalled and upset to see his wife insulted like that. I have never in my life been insulted in that way, because I am none of the things I was called.Thankfully, I have a life, and friends, and family, offline who know that.

I did however receive some supportive posts. In my world, and most other normal people's, we thank people who say supportive things to us. That's not creeping or crawling, or sickeningly trying to ingratiate yourself with people (why would I? I have no intention of posting on mumsnet again).It's what people do. But that's what I was told I was doing by some of the charmers on here. I'm afraid some of you spend so much time online that you forget how real life works.

It's because of those supportive posts that I decided to post this. After talking to friends and family last night to gain some perspective on my dilemma, and, yes, taking into account what was said to me in the more sensible and well meaning posts (there I go again, creeping and crawling), I decided to come clean with work and take the risk they would be annoyed with me. And, actually, it was fine. I spoke to my manager this morning, and he is OK with me not coming. He asked in fact if there was anything else he could do to make breastfeeding and working easier for me. He is going to book out a room for me to express in every day. He also said for as long as I am breastfeeing I won't be expected to do any more overnight stays if they come up. A really good result.So in that regard, I'm glad I posted, because I might have lied otherwise.

Please, please, don't waste your time with nasty posts to me now. I am simply not going to read them. I didn't read any of the replies to my last post on the other thread, and I've no intention of logging back in to read what I imagine will just be further vitriol from some of the bored, and angry, angry ladies on this site. I've no intention of visting mumsnet again. As I say, I've posted on mumsnet for some time, and it's depressingly predictable how this will go. I imagine I'll be accused of never having told work at all - I'm just looking for an excuse to post (I don't need one). Or more charming insults - I can hazard a guess.It would be nice to think people might read it, digest it, and move on.But hey, this is mumsnet.

So save your "off you fuck then"s and "good riddance"s, and "Hey, cherry, if you decide to come back on (I won't), I just want to say this to you..."s and go take your problems out on something else. Thank you again to all who posted good advice yesterday.

OP posts:
Lizcat · 25/08/2010 11:43

I lurked on the other thread because as a Mum and employer I wanted to say what a lot of other people were saying 'Don't lie tell the truth about why you don't want to go'. However, I now resent the fact that the OP is now asserting that all employers are lied to by all employees.

There are bad employers out there whose employees lie, because it's the only way to get by.

However, there are lots of us who run small businesses and employ lots of mums/carers part time. These employees are honest and then we bend over back wards to accomodate them. When we all work together as a team the whole thing is much better. In the last year I have accomodated a carer whose father fell and she had to rush that moment to hospital to be with him, Mum's wanting to see nativities and babies who don't want anyone apart from Mummy at bedtime (we finish at 8pm).
I am glad she got the right result for her by doing the right thing.

thesecondcoming · 25/08/2010 12:35

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ChoChoSan · 25/08/2010 14:26

Er...so you insisted on having your thread deleted...then started up another thread about it? Hmm

Why didn't you just leave the other one going, or it this a case of having to have the last word?

macdoodle · 25/08/2010 15:00

What really got my back up on the other thread, was not actually the lieing or the Bf or the mum card or any of that. It was the hideous whining that none of us working mothers (who were actually just giving the advice shge asked for), understood "her special bond with her DS", and by implication we were all such bad mothers and didnt put our DC first!
Hideous person and I for one will not miss her at all if she doesnt come back!

macdoodle · 25/08/2010 15:05

FWIW, my very first thread on MN many years ago was in relationships, about my XH's baby with the OW. I can look back now and see it was badly worded and no doubt offended. Thing was I got thoroughly and utterly flamed and lambasted (really even in relationships, god knows what would have happened if I had posted in AIBU). I was in a horrible place, emotional and wounded, and boy did I fight back, turned into a blood bath.
But I didn't sulk and whine, I didn't flounce off, I didn't write and essay about what a bunch of mean bullies everyone was.

I switched off the computer and thought about what people had said, and that actually they had all (yes even the nasty ones) been trying to help, to give me advice, to try and support me, to give me what I so badly needed. And it did help, immeasurably (to the person who scathingly told me to google co-dependancy, I will be forever grateful).

So I learnt about MN, and about people, and about how easily it is to offend and take offence, and I came back, and Mn can be a wonderful place, it can also be a croc pit, you take the good with the bad, but acting like a spoilt child will do you no favours, not her and not in the real world.

ShirleyKnot · 25/08/2010 15:09
Muser · 25/08/2010 15:11

Nice to see after you called me naive and basically rubbished the polite, constructive and not at all abusive advice I gave that I Was Right. Grin

noddyholder · 25/08/2010 15:14

I think it is up to you how you parent and if you feel/felt you wanted continuity in how you feed your son then you did the right thing.The work conference is not the be all and end all and fwiw I probably would have told a white lie too!Everyone is different.I didn;t see the other thread but it sounds a bit harsh to call you pathetic

ShirleyKnot · 25/08/2010 15:32

OK, read the other thread.

I have a special bond with my stapler.

EvilTwins · 25/08/2010 15:42

I never saw the other thread as the OP wanting to lie as she didn't want to disclose that she is still bf - after all, she is choosing to go back to work, and therefore has (I think) made arrangements to have a place to express/store milk, AND is happy for her DS to be fed by someone else/with a cup or bottle during the day. She just didn't want to go to the conference and said that

she KNEW her boss wouldn't accept her (real) reason for not wanting to go

and

she KNEW she wouldn't get found out if she lied

As far as I was concerned, it wasn't about breastfeeding in general, it was about wanting to bf her son to sleep, and not trusting her DH to be able to settle him.

But I may have read it wrong, as I don't have a special bond with my DTDs.

Megatron · 25/08/2010 15:45

Blimey, what a massive essay. I wish I had nothing better to worry about other than what a bunch of strangers said to me on an internet forum. Glad it was sorted out without the need for lying though.

Summerbird73 · 25/08/2010 15:53

She sounds a bit like someone i know. I went away for the evening to stay at a friends house daan sarrrf when DS was 7mo. DH was more than capable/happy to look after DS and was looking forward to it. The gal said to me 'ooh i dont know how you could do that - i cant even leave my DS alone for an hour without feeling panicky'

says more about her than me i say!

Oh i had a great time by the way and DS was so excited to see me when i got back Smile

the moral of my ramblings is that i trusted DH implicitly. And DH had such a close bond with DS that DS hardly noticed i had gone. and yes - i have an amazing bond with DS even though i [gasp] bottle fed him!

traceybath · 25/08/2010 16:23

Lol at Shirley.

Please god - don't let this turn into a ff v bf thread.

I do think the bf bit was relevant and thats what I replied to.

And in my pollyanna frame of mind:

  • OP was going to tell a big fib and wanted confirmation this was the right thing to do
  • The vast majority said 'no - tell the truth - you have rights as a bf mother - it'll be fine'
  • OP did what we suggested
  • Yeay - a positive outcome

OK I've summarised a bit Wink and left out some dramatics but you know - she did do the right thing in the end Grin

ShirleyKnot · 25/08/2010 16:37

um, what are you laughing at Tracey? My God this place is full of bitches and people who don't understand - or don't WANT to understand more like - the incredibly close relationship I have with my stapler.

I told my uncle about this thread and he said that I should probably sue, but then Janine (She runs the bakery) said that often, in cases like this where I'm brilliant and everyone is shit, I should just have the moral highground and burn my computer.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 25/08/2010 16:41

'Ere! That ShuuurleyKnot and TraceyBaaaaaff's having a gurt scrap round the back of the Scala!

ChoChoSan · 25/08/2010 16:54

yeah, tracey, Shirley was the first women ever to have a stapler, and so only she knows what it's like to be a proper staple owner - not like all you bitches on staplerownersnet.com...don't mock...it's so vitriolic what you said!

Oblomov · 25/08/2010 17:08

thought original thread was pretty tame really, considering some i've seen over the years. tame on both sides. didn't think Op was that bad. and not for a long time into the thread.
this 2nd thread doesn't help though.

loopyloops · 25/08/2010 21:20

Lurked on other thread.

OP's question was fine, should she lie? Most people said no. Fair enough.

I think the reason she got upset was the assertion (which came before she started getting rude) that she was being precious wanting to BF her 7 month old baby at night.
That's not precious, that's breastfeeding. Great for you people who can give an expressed bottle, but as someone whose 14 month old won't sleep at night without BF, I completely understand where OP is coming from.

The fact that the baby will take a cup or bottle in the day is beside the point. Mine can, but won't sleep at night.

For Macdoodle to suggest that Cherry is pathetic because of this is a terrible reflection on public opinion of breastfeeding, which was echoed by other posts. The assertions on both posts that BF mothers abuse their rights at work astounds me. Women are trying to do it all in this day and age. I have nothing but respect for a mother who is ready to go back to work when their baby is so young, and I'm sure that the prospect of staying away for the night simply terrified her.

I'm not surprised Cherry got upset. She didn't deal with it well, but made the right decision in the end.

She clearly posted this thread in order to show how upset she was, which seems normal to me (especially as she is new to MN?), but has obviously got people's backs up again. Maybe everyone could cut her some slack now? She has a young baby, is battling with the prospect of going back to work, and could probably do with less negativity, however she handled herself on the other thread.

With that in mind Cherry, I suggest you hide both these threads and go back to caring for your little boy. Other pages (BF etc.) aren't as heated as this one, and I think keeping away from AIBU is probably a good plan.

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