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Lying to work again

93 replies

cherrycakesparkle · 24/08/2010 14:25

I posted on Sunday about my concerns over leaving my breastfed son to go to a work conference which would take me away from him for at least 19 hours. I didn't want to upset my relationship with my employer who might have taken a less than sympathetic view of me not wanting to attend because of this, so was considering lying and saying that I had a hospital appointment on the day of the conference so could not go. Not a particularly moral or correct thing to do, but hardly the worst crime either.

For those of you who did not read the thread, which you can still see, I was called pathetic - or rather my relationship with my son was - I mean, it takes a special kind of nasty person to say that about a mum and her baby; lame; a pathetic waste of space - that was from one poster whose posts in general seem to me to be brimming over with rage and bitterness and hate; a nasty piece of work, and horrible - from someone confused between horrible, and standing up for yourself - amongst other things. I was told that the problem lay with me, that actually I just couldn't be bothered to go to the conference and was using my son as an excuse.I simply couldn't believe the hatred and vitriol coming from the replies to my thread. Someone smugly informed that they had morals, whilst in the same breath told me in not so many words I was a bad mother and spoiling and mollycoddling my son.

I was also accused of running 'bleating' to mumsnet, 'crying and begging' to have the thread deleted.The playground language used here is stomach-turning.Sorry to disappoint you, but there was no crying or begging involved.I have asked them to delete it and they have agreed. As far as I can see it hasn't been done yet - am not planning to check again to be honest.The whole thing, actually, has made my skin crawl with the sheer nastiness of it. The hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness almost laughable - you must not lie, ever, but it's ok to hurl abuse at people online.

By the way, those of you who are employers - your employees lie to you. Not all of them, not all of the time, but they do.You're naive to believe otherwise.

I hold my hand up and say that I reacted in kind to those who attacked me.Yeah, I was spiteful. If you insult me, I'm going to give exactly what I get. I stand up to bullies. Sorry. And make no mistake, having lurked and posted on mumsnet sporadically for the last year or so, my thread was one of the nastiest examples of bullies rounding on a poster I have ever seen. Pages and pages and pages of insults. Some generated by me, but only in retaliation. I think many of you are sadly hardened to that kind of behaviour on here. My husband read the thread yesterday and was genuinely appalled and upset to see his wife insulted like that. I have never in my life been insulted in that way, because I am none of the things I was called.Thankfully, I have a life, and friends, and family, offline who know that.

I did however receive some supportive posts. In my world, and most other normal people's, we thank people who say supportive things to us. That's not creeping or crawling, or sickeningly trying to ingratiate yourself with people (why would I? I have no intention of posting on mumsnet again).It's what people do. But that's what I was told I was doing by some of the charmers on here. I'm afraid some of you spend so much time online that you forget how real life works.

It's because of those supportive posts that I decided to post this. After talking to friends and family last night to gain some perspective on my dilemma, and, yes, taking into account what was said to me in the more sensible and well meaning posts (there I go again, creeping and crawling), I decided to come clean with work and take the risk they would be annoyed with me. And, actually, it was fine. I spoke to my manager this morning, and he is OK with me not coming. He asked in fact if there was anything else he could do to make breastfeeding and working easier for me. He is going to book out a room for me to express in every day. He also said for as long as I am breastfeeing I won't be expected to do any more overnight stays if they come up. A really good result.So in that regard, I'm glad I posted, because I might have lied otherwise.

Please, please, don't waste your time with nasty posts to me now. I am simply not going to read them. I didn't read any of the replies to my last post on the other thread, and I've no intention of logging back in to read what I imagine will just be further vitriol from some of the bored, and angry, angry ladies on this site. I've no intention of visting mumsnet again. As I say, I've posted on mumsnet for some time, and it's depressingly predictable how this will go. I imagine I'll be accused of never having told work at all - I'm just looking for an excuse to post (I don't need one). Or more charming insults - I can hazard a guess.It would be nice to think people might read it, digest it, and move on.But hey, this is mumsnet.

So save your "off you fuck then"s and "good riddance"s, and "Hey, cherry, if you decide to come back on (I won't), I just want to say this to you..."s and go take your problems out on something else. Thank you again to all who posted good advice yesterday.

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kneehightoagrasshopper · 24/08/2010 20:43

Cherry I have had similar responses under a different name (and on a different issue). It upset me beyond belief and so understand where you are coming from.

I do not see the need to be belittling, mean nasty or bullying which a lot of people are, either here or in real life. If you can't be nice, dont say anything.

Why be nasy and upset someone? Does that achieve anything? Does it make you feel better? Does it make the poster feel better? No we don't have to go around trying to make people feel better, but people are people and all have feelings, why upset them unecessarily.

Thesecondcoming and Beertrickspotter, Personall i have no idea why you would feel the need to insult the OP in such a way as you have on this thread.

I have not read the original thread btw, i tend to stay clear of AIBU.

kneehightoagrasshopper · 24/08/2010 20:43

have just realised this is in AIBU Grin

how did that happen?!

EvilTwins · 24/08/2010 20:49

kneehigh - I was involved in the original thread, and whilst I have no desire to go telling tales, you really can't make comments like those when you have no idea how rude, insulting and nasty cherry was to those of us who were trying very hard to offer sensible advice to a questions she posed in AIBU. IMO, the majority of the nastiness came from the OP, when she caught on that very few people were going to tell her she was being unreasonable.

EvilTwins · 24/08/2010 20:50

sorry, when very few people were going to her being reasonable (trying to watch TV whilst typing)

EvilTwins · 24/08/2010 20:53

Arghghh - multi-tasking not working. Cherry got shirty when she realised very few people were agreeing with her, and most thought she was being unreasonable.

You get the idea.

thesecondcoming · 24/08/2010 21:07

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traceybath · 24/08/2010 21:13

TSC its about bf though really isn't it and the fact that as a bf mother your employer has to facilitate that.

AnneTwacky · 24/08/2010 21:13

Glad you got it sorted out. Smile

To celebrate here's a song. C'mon I know you can't resist coming back for a sneaky peak Wink

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Don't let 'em getcha down.

BeerTricksPotter · 24/08/2010 21:17

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thesecondcoming · 24/08/2010 21:28

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EvilTwins · 24/08/2010 21:30

traceybath - I don't think it was really about bf. It was about the OP wanting to be able to put her DS to bed (nothing wrong with that) and therefore not wanting to carry out her contractual obligations, and, rather than discussing that like a grown-up, lying to her employer about it. Calling it a bf issue just makes it emotive. After all, she was choosing to go back to work, and was happy to accept that her son would be fine all day at nursery. Having not even discussed it with her employer, it hadn't had chance to become a bf at work issue.

Vallhala · 24/08/2010 21:36

TheSecondComing, you're spot on IMHO (and bloody funny with it! :o).

This was never about B/F, it was about the OP being determined to get attention by refusing to acknowledge that... shock horror... someone else could possibly put her son to bed.

Had she accepted that and allowed her DH to settle the babe and feed him milk from a beaker as Nursery does she would have lost her precious princess crown.

The OP herself said that if she told the truth HR may find a solution and she'd still have to go!

We all think our own babes are special but the OP took this to extremes.

LookToWindward · 24/08/2010 21:44

Just read the original thread and what an utter loon the OP is?

She's the kind of "entitled to" idiot that gives working mothers a bad name...

iamamug · 24/08/2010 21:45

I read the whole thread and the worst vitriole came from the OP! She was advised many many times to tell the truth as the law would protect her - if she lied she could be fired. I also agree that facing the issue head on makes it easier for subsequent BF mums. Well - bugger my boots - you told the truth and it was fine - WE TOLD YOU SO!!
You have totally over reacted to the responses and you inflamed many - you just would not listen to reason. Anyway - I am really glad it worked out for you Wink

zingzillachinchilla · 24/08/2010 21:47

First thread was shocking, this one is just plain unnecessary.

My advice OP - steer clear of AIBU but you know that of course you can't resist coming back for a peek....

traceybath · 24/08/2010 21:48

The baby was only going to be 7 months though and I do think its reasonable to want to bf a baby to sleep at that time.

And employers do have to facilitate that.

So my approach in her situation would have been to tell the truth which she ultimately did with good results.

Look - sure the OP got a bit ummm over-wrought but she was clearly very stressed and was mad to post in AIBU.

But the good thing was that she changed her mind - she didn't lie in the end did she Smile

thesecondcoming · 24/08/2010 21:55

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Scuttlebutter · 24/08/2010 22:06

I was one of those who responded to the OP- although I disagreed profoundly with her, and still do, I did try to be polite and constructive in offering some alternatives and suggestions for working with her manager in an honest way. I was astonished by the entitlement, dishonesty and selfishness she displayed, and by the "Goodbye cruel world" immaturity she has now demonstrated. I feel very sorry for her colleagues, her DH and most of all for her children who will have to live with this attitude. According to the OP, I and others like me have the morals of a 12 year old at Sunday School - but that's OK, I'm happy with them.

traceybath · 24/08/2010 22:09

Well I don't think that you should pop down to the nursery but you should be given space to express if necessary.

I think the thing is with a 7 month old - they've probably only just started being weaned and very common to not be eating much or taking a cup or bottle if excl bf.

However by 12 months say - well most will be eating a reasonable amount, taking a cup or bottle.

So using the OP as an example - I think its fair at 7 months not to want to be away for 15 hours but by the time the baby was 12 months - well I guess she'd need to accept she'd do well to attend the conference.

thesecondcoming · 24/08/2010 22:14

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blueshoes · 24/08/2010 22:36

Weird for OP to come back and flounce like this. I read some of the original thread and did not post because all had been said. Some posts were strongly worded but not half as strong as this weird one.

I reckon OP is just being precious all round. You know what they say about heat and kitchen ...

pumpupthevolume · 24/08/2010 22:38

WTF???

BrandyAlexander · 24/08/2010 22:42

OP, I think you got some very good advice from people which has helped you achieve a good outcome that you wouldn't have achieved if you had lied.

PotPourri · 24/08/2010 22:51

not read original thread, and don't want to. Glad it worked out, no way could anyone but settle ds to sleep as he is bf and 6 months.

Re this op, weird! You really need to not take it personally. And fwiw, there are nasty things said on mumsnet, but you should stick around, it's truely heartwarming and amazing ALOT of the time

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