to think that ADHD/ADD is a load of nonsense?

[Breton1900]

Are we really producing ever more kids with these conditions or do parents simply need to take back control and realise that, at times, all kids can be obnoxious, loud, defiant, restless and fidgety and that strictly enforced rules for behaviour, lots of TLC, and the occasional smack on the bum may be the way forward?

Breton1900 Tue 24-Aug-10 00:27:58
maryz wrote: "I dread him turning 17 because I won't be able to stop him driving."

Why not? Just refuse to pay for the lessons.

you just don't learn or listen do you.

Venus, well done for apologising

Thank you venus x

Thanks Venus, really appreciated

2shoes: maryz expressed obvious concern about her son becoming a driver. Well she has the power to prevent it, at least until he is 18 when he ceases to be her legal responsibility.

Working on the assumption that this teenager cannot get a job because of his condition and because he was expelled from school at 15 with no qualifications I presume that, apart from a possible disability allowance from the DSS, if he is fortunate enough to get one, maryz and her husband/partner are responsible for his finances.

They therefore have the power (and the authority) to tell him he will have to wait until he is 18 and earns or saves up the money himself.

Ah well done Venus! You've kissed the collective booty and received your absolution!

I haven't read this entire thread, only the opening of the debate: don't have time to read it all.

You're implying that every child with "ADHD" means a loud, unruly child? My friends 5 year old child has ADHD and she is quiet, shy, and very well behaved. BUT I have noticed that she just doesn't pay attention to you and wont sit for anything. If you read her a story she walks off after the first page. If you put a DVD on she gets bored in 5 mins and wants to do something else. Talking to her is like talking to a brick wall alot of the time as she is away with the fairies. She can't sit still and fidgets constantly but she isn't loud and unruly. It's affecting her schooling as she just can't focus on anything long enough.

It's very unfair to suggest that all children with ADHD are badly behaved.

not only does Brenton have no clue about sn, obviously it has no clue about teenagers either.
trip trap

I have asked MNHQ to remove this thread as I think it is quite possibly one of the nastiest I have read.

No I'm not implying that all children with ADHD are unruly - I used those terms of being loud, obnoxious etc in the OP because this is how, in my experience, supposedly ADHD children behave. When they are quiet, shy and prefer working alone they appear on the SEN registers as either having been diagnosed, or awaiting diagnosis, for Aspergers!

It is not unusual for a small child to be quiet and shy, anymore than it is for a small child to be obnoxious, defiant, have a short attention span, or be noisy. Most small children display any and all of these behaviours at various moments in their formative years.

However, most kids grow out of being shy although some don't and and remain solitary and shy people all their lives. It doesn't mean they have a mental disorder!

hobnobsaremyfave wrote: "I have asked MNHQ to remove this thread as I think it is quite possibly one of the nastiest I have read."

Well you've certainly been one of the main contributors to supplying its gutter language!

Er, I think what actually happened is that Venus apologised to parents of children who DO have ADHD, realising we were upset.

But, as ever, don't let the facts get in the way of any of your arguments Breton1900, eh?

Breton ffs, kids dont receive a diagnosis of autism, just because they are quiet and shy.

maryz : I am not contesting the fact that a lot of people, young and old, are dangerous and reckless drivers.

"In England, Wales and Northern Ireland the duties towards a child which come with parental responsibility continue until the child is 18."

If he is on a YTS then he has his own money but you, as his parents, still have some control over what he does with it until he reaches adulthood.

Venus, thanks.

True Smallwhitecat. Excellent point.
I am off out for dh's birthday, with the dds.
Bye Riven, 2Shoes et al

(Riven, I am so excited about that campsite!!)x

Lequeen, what im getting at, with all due respect is that you are a teacher, not a medical professional or an ASD/ADHD specialist. Although i am sure you have experience of children, both have very wide spectrums and different behaviour, i dont think you can say whether the children at your school have ASD/ADHD or not.

Im sure there are some bad parents out there who are responsible for their childrens difficulties. Im sure there are some bad parents out there, whose children do had ASD/ADHD. Just because you feel that the people you refer to are bad parents, doesnt mean their children do/do not have a disorder.

The problem with threads like this if left unchallenged, is even though we know that Bretton is talking nonsense, you get other genuine posters thinking he might have a point.