To think no one was allergic to nuts in the 1970's or kids had that ADHT or whatever it is

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I don,t remember anyone with these 'problems' , I only remember the odd smelly kid?

they are now called Pupil referral units.

So yes, they were where they sent the "naughty" kids

That is so sad re your DH, MrsFlittersnoop.

There was a boy at school who would have evidently been diagnosed with ADHD nowadays. The saddest thing was seeing his utter ocnfusion when he got into trouble. he didn't know that his behaviour was completely unacceptable.

Anyway he was regarded as a bad'un all through school life. His mum was in despair about it.

He has been in and out of prison for violence and drug related offences his entire life.

Last thing I knew he had been glassed in the face by someone he had a feud with.

It makes me very sad.

"But that's juest people then isn';t it? there is nothing anyone can do to stop people making up dx's. There will always be someone looking for an excuse. That has no relevance at all to the very many properly diagnosed people who are affected by threads like this becuase there is always some idiot out there willing to say 'Yes but I saw on MN / in the DM / on Jeremy Kyle...'"

I know. That's why I said in my original post that I don't think that ADHD is a made-up condition. I know it isn't. I just think that some lazy arses use it as an excuse.

My FIL is something over 50. He most definitely has dyslexia. I'm not sure whether he realises- it would be impossible to discuss it with him, as he is understandably pretty touchy about it.

It, and the confidence issues it's caused, has affected his life significantly.

I think my father has AS or is somewhere on the autistic spectrum. However, he got diagnosed with schizophrenia while at university.

They all existed.

terri I don't know about when your Dad was dx'd but we know now that schizphrenia and AS dx's can and often were confudsed if thats any help?

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Terrible, isn't it. So, so tragic. But I have no idea how to raise the issue. It would seem so presumptuous, even if I knew him well! Which I don't.

do you imagine that in MN circa 1950 it would have been 'we never had this fancy diabetes in our day... no, we just had a mind-bogglingly high infant mortality rate and those of us who survived thought ourselves lucky'.

Oh dammit, have made a sort-of pun on my name. Not intended, at all.

Anyway. I can well believe that some people claim that their child has whatever when it could be solved by better parenting, BUT, on the other side of the coin, there are people who go into denial about their children's neurological conditions, and blame additives/spongebob squarepants/"the system not being able to cope with bright people and just labelling them".

Also, some people claim all kinds of easily-testable conditions that they don't have, but we don't let it affect our perception of the condition because it's obvious to us laypeople that they're malingering.

For example, my mother collects medical conditions from the media. Over the years, she has claimed many things, including, but not limited to the following:
Reynaud's Phenomenon (and claimed I had it too- no, she was just too poor to turn up the heating. Is a difference),
Asperger's Syndrome (may actually be true, but she's not claiming she has it because of an understanding of the condition!),
IBS,
"Early Menopause" (I looked this up, and she does not qualify- she apparently expected to be fertile until 56. Anything before this is early, according to her, and bolleaux to medical science!),
and the latest is A Slipped Disc. But she hasn't asked her doctor about it, because, "They won't do anything, so there's no point. Cost-cutting NHS". Entertainingly, a friend actually has had a slipped disc recently, which has now been operated on. And she's now back at work.
Repetitive Strain Injury/washerwoman's thumb

It's sad when people do this but perhaps even then its a sign of real underlying issues?

from attention speaking to (yes sorry AS) to what? Am not a Psyhiatrist!

But you know at this moment AS ds1 is trying to bash his way through a lovcked kitchen door with a spiked swingball set becuase of holding it together on meltdowns at play club all week (gadfen has six foot walls, he is safe)

Now if someone who doesn't beleive in ASD wants to go out there feel free, I however will NOT

Oh, she definitely has issues. Point is, which I forgot to explain (I blame the children, or something), people wouldn't dream about making a thread about "this woman near me who says she has a slipped disc is fine, actually, and there's NO SUCH THING as slipped discs, and we certainly didn't have them in the 70's".

So I really, really wish people would stop doing it for neurological conditions.

I was a kid in the 70s and had really bad hayfever. One boy at our school (who coincidentally, was weird and smelly) had asthma. He died of it when we were about 13.

But why are we posting on the pillock's thread? He's 14 and has posted and run, you know, guys.

i am amazed at how many people assume that adhd = naughty, AND that a lot of people have commented that children get labelled as adhd when they're not really (or words to that effect).

well, adhd is a medical diagnosis, not just something that lax parents can say 'oh, they're adhd, so i let them draw on the walls'.

if someone has adhd, they have different chemicals within their brains which affect their behaviour. most children respond well to medicine.

if someone says their child is adhd, but they NEVER appear to have a 'good day', then there are various possibilites
a) that child isn't taking the right meds, or maybe any
b) their parents have decided they are, but haven't got a proper dx
c) there are other factors in place interfering with the meds.

if a child is adhd & on the right dose, then it will noticeably affect their behaviour. whilst they are more in control, they are able to learn the more 'appropriate' behaviours expected of them (although they may not be completely 'normal' as they have had control problems since birth). in mild cases, this can lead to them having sufficient control & reducing/coming off med, IF they are continue to exert that control they learnt

I was posing the question with no intention of upset, I just didn't come across this when I was young. There was a 'smelly' kid at my ordinary school and we played with him.

A goo friend of mine got into a serious amount of trouble with the police etc way back then and was lucky enough to have a psychiatric test which showed he was very bright and ended up being sent to a home for boys where he thrived; he was just in the wrong environment to start with.

I met a neighbour boy of my mothers a couple of years ago and knowing nothing of his history I watched and listened to him as he was involved in some complex creative toy he had. I thought he was extremely bright and later my mum told me that he apparently has some learning difficulties. When there was un upset in his house not long after that where his mother had to be taken away because she was in a state, my mother went in to sit with the children and the boy in question was looking after the other children and preparing food for them.

Anyway, how many of you who have slated me on this thread would send your DC to a failing school with a high percentage of children 'labelled', where chaos reigns, which I have recently witnessed to my utter despair? I'm guessing many of you would not wish this

Yep, ds1's casein intol is oemthing I wouldn;t equate with anaphalaxis bit he was FTT to teh extent his weight ws around 4lbs at about 6 weeks before anyone worked out what it was

He oudln;t be ehre now anyway if he'd been born 50 years ago becuase I had eclamptic fots, but if somehow he;d have survived that then that would have taken him anyway.

But it would be FTT, not casein intol.

'Anyway, how many of you who have slated me on this thread would send your DC to a failing school with a high percentage of children 'labelled', where chaos reigns, which I have recently witnessed to my utter despair? I'm guessing many of you would not wish this '

????

What relevance has that to the OP, exactly?

If chaos reigns then the labelled kids (I am assuming diagnosed) aren;t being handled properly

Presumably either the SENCO or the LEA are failing badly

In which case actually i would advocate writing a reasoned letter: not about teh terrible lanelled kids, but the behavioral management failings at the school in question.

there are resources for kids who can't cope for whatever reason, and if that doesn't work there are alternatives to mainstream education

But if school isn;t on board I can assure you the aprents can do very, very little indeed

If you do decide to do soemthing I would suggest googling the SEN code of practice for legal guidelines on who should be doing what

Sadly the bloody insensitive will always be with us...

I said , I didn't come across this when I was young, don't take it personally

Com on ipod, the whole OP is an exercise in winding people up, don't get in a huff now that it's worked.

until dd4, i didnt know anyone in RL with a nut allergy.

so it is still really rare. IMO.

Naturally you know about more things now than you did when you were a child. It would be pretty sad if you had got into adulthood with no breadth of experience.

When I was a child in the 70s I didn't know any children from single parent families and I didn't know any only children or any non white people at all. Its not because they have just been invented, its because they didn't live in my street. I did know a boy with a peanut allergy and a few asthmatics and hayfever suffers, plus some boys at school who were described as 'slow' or 'dunces'.

It was a genuine question and I am not in a huff, just bemused as to why it has been taken as an affront to those with various conditions today - who then resort to name calling and slating. If my OP was misinterpreted then maybe it is not clear enough