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Shock outburst from neighbour should I take the CAB advice?

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alicatte · 23/07/2010 09:31

I am asking this because I don't really know what to do. I spoke to CAB and they said to get in touch with the police. What do you think dear mumsnetters, I feel it seems an extreme solution but I really don't want it to happen again.

I have lived in my house for a very long time - several decades - but it is in a street of houses where there is a high turnover. One of my neighbours who moved in five years ago and lives opposite me had a surprising and major outburst with me yesterday.

But first a bit of background. I have a small driveway,just enough for one car not enough for two (unless it was a G-wizz or a smart car). I have had this for decades, as does my next door neighbour and several other people on the street have hardstandings outside their houses. Recently two more hardstandings were added and then the local authority changed the rules and stopped any more hardstandings being put in.

I am a teacher and am usually at work, my husband has a company car and works all round the country - he gets back at all sorts of times and so we leave the driveway space for him as parking can often be difficult in the evening.

When we first had the drive we did try to put one car in the drive and the other outside over the driveway, but unfortunately because parking is so tight people were constantly parking a wheel or so over the driveway space (just trying to fit in - I guess people get desperate.) and so both the driveway and the space outside were becoming unusable on many occasions. We then started to manage the parking. We also have a garden at the front and so in the evenings, after the day parkers had gone, I would park on the road in front of the garden, so that my husband could still park when he came home.

For decades no-one ever complained about it, some people even said that it was nice that there was always somewhere you could draw into and unpack your children and your shopping before looking for a parking space. We are the first road without residents parking so we have a lot of extra cars overspilling from nearby roads.

Then S moved in. Two years ago on the first day of the school holidays and 5 days after my father had died I was woken at 8.00 a.m. by furious knocking on the front door. S said that she had friends coming round and where were they supposed to park. I should put my car in the driveway and not be so selfish. I was quite tearful at the time and explained why, she said that it wasn't anything to do with her that my father had died. Just to make it clear, at the time there were loads of places in the street - there always are during school holidays.

S's mother then arrived later in her Jaguar, she parked over my driveway (where my car was) although there were lots of other spaces in the street. I was weeding in the front garden at the time and I was a bit shocked so initially I didn't say anything just talked to her, eventually I asked her if it would be possible for her to park in one of the other free spaces instead of blocking me in, she said she wouldn't be long and breezed off into S's house - she was there for hours.

Nothing else much happened for a year and then one day S's husband leaned out of the window as I passed and asked me why I was taking up spaces in the street when parking was at a premium (again this was on a day when there was loads of space). I have a cleaner who was using the driveway space that day - I explained this to him. Later when I went out (on foot) he went over and harangued my cleaner, who reports that she gave him rather short shrift.

Then yesterday I arrived back to find S waiting in the street. She was just about to go on holiday and she laid into me about my discourteous behaviour with regard to the parking. She told me that she understood 'by law' that if you had a driveway then you should only use that space yet we were taking up space in the street. She shouted out at the top of her voice that she didn't believe that my father had died two years ago that it was just a story that I had made up to make her feel sorry for me. She said that she had spoken to other neighbours and that they had told her that I had said that my mother was ill but they had seen her walking up the street two days later (this is impossible as my mother lives at the other end of the country) - bizarre or what. These things proved that I was a liar and discourteous.

All the time my two sons, who have lived here all their lives, were watching this. They were both upset and said that they felt invaded. She was shouting and shouting. So I shouted back (yes I am shocked at myself) that there was no law against parking outside your own house but there were laws against harassment and she was harassing me. I also said that if other neighbours were talking about me then I believed she was starting the conversations. At this point my husband arrived and supported me in a very reasonable way - explaining the same things to her. I went over later and tried to smooth things over which seemed to go well but this is the third incident and I feel so embarrassed at the horrible scene in the street - I can't take it again.

The CAB say it is harassment and I should contact the police. I confess I do feel a little afraid of her.

What would you do?

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SanctiMoanyArse · 23/07/2010 09:58

Oh and WRT to fayher's passing if it were me I WOULD drop a copy of teh deathc ert through the door tbh. that might shut her up!

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 23/07/2010 10:02

She sounds awful. It doesn't sound to me like you're doing anything wrong. I think I would stop trying to smooth things over, as it gives her an inflated sense of her own power in the situation. Your drive, you can use it how you want. Try to ignore her, and don't let it upset you.

stripeyknickersspottysocks · 23/07/2010 10:05

I would involve the police and hopefully they would go and have a word with her saying that you are legally entitled to park on the road regardless of whether or not you have a drive. If your neighbour or her mother parks over your drive again I would ring the police and hopefully they would come and ticket them.

I am often blocked in by cars that park over my drive and I ring the police up and they do come and ticket them, but police station is only a minute walk away so quite easy for them to do I suppose.

I have a similar situation though thankfully without the loon neighbour. We have limited parking in our street, our drive only has space for 2 cars and we have 3. I leave the last space for DH for when he comes home, if I get home before him I park on the road. If neighbours find it annoying they haven't complained.

Remotew · 23/07/2010 10:12

I suspect she feels entitled to have her guests park near her house as she doesn't use up a parking space. A warped way of thinking, I agree.

I would mention it to the police in case it gets out of hand. It is sounding personal so might escalate.

toccatanfudge · 23/07/2010 10:14

abouteve - that would be a warped way of thinking indeeed. I don't have a car, visitors always have to park half way up/down the street - doesn't bother me one jot

AxisofEvil · 23/07/2010 10:17

She does sound like a loon and I would speak to the PCSO but be careful with how you present it:

  • the "I've lived here for decades" line - won't win you many friends.
  • perfectly legal it may be but it isn't the most charitable thing to do in taking up a parking space if you've got a drive empty.
Stricnine · 23/07/2010 10:18

Agree that blocking a dropped curb (driveway access) is illegal and you can definately phone the police on that.

Other than that, anywhere on the roadside is fair game for a taxed and road legal car to park, households do not have claim to the 'bit outside their garden' as unique parking!

We do the same - car that's away most gets the driveway to ensure a space and the car that's around during the day stays on the street - works fine (more or less) round our way.. but have had similar issues in the past with this...

She sounds like a bit of a loon, but maybe not being a driver doesn't understand road rules well!

LadyBiscuit · 23/07/2010 10:24

The OP's perfectly entitled to park anywhere she chooses and it wouldn't occur to me to be annoyed if my neighbours weren't using their offroad parking even though space is at a premium here.

I'd lodge it on file with the police in case it escalates but I'd also speak to the council. It strikes me that if you had residents parking, a lot of these issues would disappear overnight

Needanewname · 23/07/2010 10:30

Can I ask why people can see the loopy woman's point of view (I know you don;t agree with her harrassment!)

OP parks on the road, yes she has a drive but that has been clearly explained why she doesn't use it - crazy loon doesn;t even have a car!!!!

OP if I were you, I'd stop trying to be reasonable, you've gone down that route and it hasn;t worked, for some reason she thinks you're as easy touch and she can intimidate you, don;t let that happen.

I have elderly neighbours who have no car, whenever their family visits (with cars) they ALWAYS park outside my house - drives me insane, but I wouldn;t dream of saying anything to them or their family as a) it is rude, (of me) b) it is a public highway they can park wherever they like c) it is my problem not theirs!!!! SO DH will have to put up with me muttering. Actually its got to the point where I know I'm totally unreasonable in my rants that I now laugh at my self!

I personally wouldn't go to the police unless she made an actual thread but I would log every complaint, take photos of your car and the empty street and if you have a camera phone, everytime she comes near you start videoing her, or if not just warn or when she starts that you are recording the conversation.

doggiesayswoof · 23/07/2010 10:32

Poor you, horrible situation. I would go to the police and see if they would have a word or get it on record (although I've been told that they no longer record this sort of stuff unless a crime's been committed, but I don't know how accurate that is). Worth asking them anyway, and make it clear that you and your children were intimidated and you now feel scared of her.

She sounds like a nutter. I'd stop apologising or trying to smooth things over. I like the advice you've had about keeping a diary of all incidents and taking photos if any of her family or friends block your driveway again.

My next door neighbour sometimes parks on the street to leave his driveway free for his son coming home later. It bugs me if he parks outside my house (I don't have a driveway), but I am not so stupid/rude that I would actually say anything to him, because I can see why he does it and he is perfectly within his rights. ie I know that I'm being unreasonable to be annoyed! (And I actually have a car, unlike your horrible neighbour)

stripeyknickersspottysocks · 23/07/2010 10:32

But she hasn't really got a drive thats empty has she, her DH will be using it when he gets back a bit later.

My DH refuses to park his car on the road as his is more expensive than mine. The one time he did park it on the road as I'd used the drive his car got hit by a drunk driver. If it had been my smaller, cheaper car it wouldn't have been so bad. Plus my car insurance states that mine is to be parked on the road and his is only covered for been parked on the drive. So it has to be his car that uses the drive and not mine.

ExitPursuedByABear · 23/07/2010 10:36

Parking can be such a nightmare - people have been stabbed to death over parking issues! We used to have this problem when we lived in a terraced cottage. We had two cars but the cottage next door and the one next to that didn't have any, so we used to happily park outside our own house and next door, but the neighbour on the other side seemed outraged by the fact that we had two cars and would go out of his way to move his car so that I did not have enough room to park - or so he thought - I became expert at manoeuvering my 4x4 into the smallest of gaps, with him standing watching me on the pavement. I used to get so wound up and I was pregnant at the time. He eventually complained that I had damaged his number plate with my tow bar (I did kind of used to park by braille!) - so he sent me a solicitors letter which I ignored, came round banging on my door, which my DP dealt with, and finally called the police. The police looked at his car, could see no damage and told him to stop harassing me. It was deeply embarrassing to be caught up in a neighbour dispute and the situation was never satisfactorily resolved until we moved. Sorry to hijack your thread with my story, but just wanted to let you know that I am sure the police would help you in having a word with your neighbour, but the best thing to do is probably to try and ignore her. If there is a high turnover maybe she will move soon!

AvrilHeytch · 23/07/2010 10:44

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ArseHolio · 23/07/2010 10:59

Just start parking both cars on the road, that'll piss her off!

zipzap · 23/07/2010 11:01

if she insists on shouting at you, maybe you could try saying, sorry, haven't got time to talk to you at the moment, maybe you could write me a quick note with what you think the problem is, I can check it out and then we can discuss it when we both have time?

That way you get to have written evidence of her mad rantings - chances are it will be a mad letter. You can then go down to the CAB or local police, check each point off against what's legal and not (eg her bizarre claim that you have to park on your drive if you have a space) and then send her a simple reply.

If she disagrees she is the one that is going to look mad and stupid.

treedelivery · 23/07/2010 11:16

Crazy.

If this happens again, simply say 'yes we are having nice weather aren't we'. Even if it's snowing.

Then walk off humming. There is no come back to that

Also be assured that you can park wherever you like, that she bought the house, not the road, that millions of people have garages full of everything but cars, and front gardens full of grass that could be drives....it is your house and your business.

The trick with people like this [self indulgent and often bullies] is to never ever put yourself on the back foot. Why explain yourself - you have no case to answer. Why justify yourself, why enter into it?
Your answers should be short and sharp.

'That is my car, and this is a normal street. I can park where I want. Good day'

'This is a dropped curb. You can't park here. Please move. Good day'

'My drive is my business, good day'

'Yes it is nice weather isn't it. good day

If you are feeling grumoy allow yourself a 'Oh, did you buy the road. Are you changing the name of it?'

It might be worth talking to the police, community support officers are here just for this sort of thing, and could take a walk up and down your road a few times. It might pull her up, bullies are usually wimps'

BTW, I live on a street where ther is only onstreet parking, and it is hard. I do sometimes rankle when I see a visitor parking in a stupd way, taking up two spaces etc. Then I kick myself and put the kettle on
Afterall, I can actually walk across the road to my car if needed. It's hardly a chore.

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slug · 23/07/2010 11:35

Another vote for calling the police if her family park across your dropped kerb. We had endless problems with that sort of thing when I was living in a flat in London. One morning my flatmate had to leave early to drive to work (before the tubes started in the morning, so no option but to drive) The normal car was parked across our driveway. Flatmate called the police (again) who turned up with a towtruck and towed the offending car away. Oh how we laughed.

staranise · 23/07/2010 11:42

Sorry, just to clarify - she doesn't have a car??!! And she's harrassing you about parking?

No great advice except (a) avoid and (b) ignore, you're doing nothing wrong and sound liek you ahve been very reasonable. I agree re. CSPO, they are usually good at this sort of thing.

Kaloki · 23/07/2010 11:46

The way you are parking isn't unusual at all. THat's how we always did it at my parents house. (4 cars and 2 driveway spaces, but only 1 drop kerb space) So we always had to have one of our cars parked in front of our drive where there was no drop kerb, just so we could use our drive.

This woman is loopy. I imagine if it wasn't the parking it'd be something else, I'd maybe notify the police so that they know about her, just in case. And do keep a diary of every time she bothers you.

alicatte · 23/07/2010 11:46

Thank you all for all your advice. I really do appreciate your reponses. I do realise it must be difficult to see a 'space' being taken. When I didn't manage the parking about half the time there were no spaces left including the driveway one so I really don't think changing my parking would help at all really.

I am a teacher and I was interested to read the bullying angle Casserole - I hadn't thought about it like that but obviously I see children trying bullying out all the time. I always tell them first to avoid the bully and walk away; then to tell the bully that they don't like their behaviour and finally to tell a teacher on duty and their parents if the bully continues. If it carries on we arbitrate.

It sounds awfully similar and I guess I am at the stage of having said I don't like her behaviour.

But, you know, whatever the reason the bully gives for their attempts at victimization or whatever the reasons they have in their minds when they think about justifying their actions - it is always the same real cause, the bully feels powerless and frightened because of something entirely to do with them which they are passing on.

But I guess I can't really help her can I? Would it be better to draw a line? DinahRod thank you for posting I hadn't thought about a solicitor's letter - will talk to DH tonight when he gets back.

DH says she is unreasonable and there is no point in trying to discuss this face to face because she just isn't listening. Last night he thought we should write her a letter. Still I have a week to decide how to play it.

How will I face the other neighbours? I'm still mortified by making a scene in the street. I feel so embarrassed.

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Rockbird · 23/07/2010 11:50

Hmm, I can see why she's annoyed. My parents live in a road like that. The people opposite don't use their drive or the space in front of it, they park the husband's school's minibus outside my parents house whenever possible. Doesn't sound like much but their side of the street has the houses right near the pavement so they have a bloody great van blocking their light all weekend.

alicatte · 23/07/2010 11:55

Perhaps you should explain to them Rockbird - nicely obviously. I have a tiny car. There is a lady down our road who also has a pair of youth work minibuses which she parks in the street at weekends but she does try to vary where she parks them.

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Miggsie · 23/07/2010 11:56

She's mad.

I have a neighbour who has this thing about our garden wall, it was there 20 years before we bought the house but she has this thing about it...very odd.

Anyway, yes, she is harassing you, you could chose to ignore it, however, parking across a drive when someone is parked on it is actually illegal, you are blocking the ability for you to drive out.
Strangely it is not illegal to park across the drive when there is no car on the property, I find this odd, but law often is.

Also, if you have paid your car tax it is legal for you to park anywhere on a public road that has no parking restricitions.

Make a note of all the incidents so if you do make a complaint you have all the evidence.

I expect she is jealous of you and doesn't have enough in her life so is obsessed with your drive.

Mind you, our mad neighbour told me to stop the birds landing on her roof (the birds come to my garden as I have lots of feeders). How I'm meant to do that I don't know.
And she wants us to cut down our apple tree as apples attract wasps.

Some people are just bonkers. I suppose if you don't make a compaint you can just say "I'm not prepared to discuss this" and calmly walk off.

Rockbird · 23/07/2010 11:59

I guess she thinks it should be first come first served and by keeping your own space back you're cheating. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but how she might see it.

Who goes out first in the morning? Could you park in the drive and your DH park over the driveway? Mind you, trying to sort it would really grate with me because she sounds like a cowbag