AIBU to not give a toss that Moat was tasered?

[DetectivePotato]

May be a sensitive issue so I appologise if it upsets anyone.

Have looked at the front of todays paper and Moats family are paying for a 2nd inquest because they think he was killed by taser.

I am sorry (actually I'm not) but I don't give a flying fuck if the police tasered him.

He killed someone and seriously wounded 2 others. He went on the run and he could have hurt/killed many more people. What were the police suppose to do? Offer him a cuppa and a sit down to talk about his troubles? He clearly showed that he hated the police, he could have shot many more of them. What choice did they have but to try and disarm him.

FFS!!!!!!!!

Well Blue, the honest answer is that we obviously don't know exactly what happened, but at least one observation occurs.

Given the flak which the police have received on this I think it incredibly unlikely that they would not have said they thought he presented an imminent threat to the safety of them or other people if they had thought this at the time. They have absolutely not said this.

No, we don't know.

I absolutely agree with you that we have to have a police force who act strictly to protocol, whoever they are dealing with. I happen not to care that RM is dead, but I very much care that we have a reliable police force who don't shoot people just because they are murderers.

The police never say much in advance of an inquest, do they?

Has it been reported as to whether RM had gunshot wounds, or is the death-by-taser speculation / accusation based on the fact that he had NO gunshot wounds?

I thought Tasers were licensed fo pilot use in some areas of the country?

I DO care if RM was 'killed by taser', though I don't see the OP as being unreasonable for it not caring a toss. re the inquest I am sure the police can't respond as it would be sub judicy(sp) ahead of a coroners inquest.

RM was undoubtedly a violent and disturbed man. The resources to properly manage people like him will become even more stretched when the true extent of public sector cuts become more evident. Every body associated with this incident will have reduced capability to respond to threats, real or imagined.

Of course we should be critical of the police - they have powers and status that no-one else has so they should be properly accountable for them. Like in this case as any other.

Of course Police should be accountable. I am surprised that many assume the Police must be at fault if someone dies.

Are they assuming that? Maybe I haven't read all of the thread in detail, but if someone dies whilst there is an armed police presence at the scene then it is reasonable ot ask questions.

Also the conduct of the police in doing searches and at the public conferences wasn't exactly re-assuring was it?

Yes it is reasonable to ask questions. By why must blame lie with the Police?

Easy Writer you can listen to the moron woman being interviewed here (bottom of the page is a link to the audio player)
I've honestly never been more disturbed in my life.

Of course the other aspect is the tragic, almost Victorian 'freak shows' that we get when incidents like this happen, where people who are associated with the offender are trailed out by the media - people who are NOT media-savvy or literate - so the public can get all pointy-fingered and be shocked/amused/disgusted/ by turn, but in the end relieved that at least they themselves are a few notches above in the food chain than these gonks. Pretty tasteless stuff.

And the public seem always to be in a sort of ''sympathy' myopia, where you are restricted to ONLY have a choice of sympathy or feeling with 'one side or the other', without realising that it isn't a competition.

YABU - they should not have tasered him. They should just have shot him with a proper gun a lot sooner.

Thing is, there are very real concerns about the safety of tasers and inappropriate use (especially in the US when they've been used against unruly schoolchildren, FFS) BUT in this case this is exactly what they were intended for - to give the police a non-lethal way of controlling an armed suspect. Obviously an investigation is important so any lessons can be learnt but here, at face value, the police were trying to end the situation without any more deaths, even Moat's.