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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 10:12

Been on ML for 8 months, 6wks leave before that, and before that off work lots with HG, so not really there, gelling with the team. I have had massive issues with my employer over the years, trust issues around very poor treatment, resulting in grievance, team changes, etc etc, along with some personal issues to boot (bereavement). So, being at work has for a long time been a hard thing for me, and last ML returning to work was especially hard

This time, I made a decision to be positive, change my attitude to work, and enjoy it. I am returning on hours that fit better with my personal commitments, and have a new manager who appears to be responsive to my needs/wishes and wants to make my return to work as smooth as possible.

So, we have agreed that it would be good to use some of my keeping in touch days to ease me back in slowly (my suggestion), so one morning this week, one, maybe two next week, then two the following two weeks then return at the end of my ML the following week officially, which will only actually be 3 days. The following week will be 5 days as normal (mornings). My manager has said that these Keeping in Touch days are to be completely flexible around me, the hours, and the days to suit and change as needed, so we can deal with teething issues, get my head used to being back in work mode, so when I start officially, we are hopefully on an even keel.

Anyway, I am going on, sorry. DH has been unemployed for a while, and has over the last two weeks had a little work. Not much, but helping out a friend (self employed, both of them), it has been physical work and I know DH has been out of work for a while, so in the mornings I have got up with the kids immediately, sorted their breakfast, made a drink and brekky for DH, so he can just get ready, be calm in his head, and leave knowing it is happy and calm this end. I did this for him yesterday.

Today is my first Keeping in Touch day. Last night, I got todays breakfast/lunch/tea sorted for the children, and a bottle for DS. This morning, he stayed in bed 'dozing' while I fed DS, then DD got up, we snuggled for a bit then at 7:15 I got up, gave the kids their breakfast, made myself and DH a cuppa, had brekky myself, went to go in the shower, DH nipped in, got himself brekky, got milk from shops, then looked after the children while I got ready.

I wanted to walk into work. Takes about 20 mins, and although the weather is a bit shitty, I wanted the time to clear my head, prepare myself for work. I was looking forward to it, for the first time, in probably years. But apprehensive due to the amount of time I have had off, and also apprehensive about leaving my baby boy, although overall not too bad about that. Was looking forward to the walk and listening to Mumford & Sons. It is my favourite album and I listen to a lot in the car, love driving on my own so I can have it loud, happens rarely so was really looking forward to this before work, relaxing, calming, and positive.

It is not on my Ipod, it turns out DH put it on his, not mine, a while ago when I asked. I asked DH if I could use his Ipod, he sees me looking through mine sighing and says 'oh god why do you want mine? Not to listen to Mumford & Sons again? 'can i borrow it or not?' 'why do you want it first?' 'so listen to Mumford & Sons' "no then, listen to something else' 'please let me borrow your ipod, i don't want to listen to anything else, i really want to listen to that album' 'you have listened to it too much, No' 'please' 'no' 'come on, all my other music is shit' 'i don't know where it is' 'can you help me look for it, I was really looking forward to it on the walk to work' 'no, just listen to something else, you can't just listen to Mumford & sons all the time' 'fine' and I took off my headphones and threw it on the bed.

I was really quite upset, probably without good reason, but then he went on 'oh chucking your toys out the pram are you? chucking them on the bed, stop behaving like a baby' 'well, dont treat my like a baby dictating what I can and can't listen to' 'nenene! such a baby, getting in a strop because I don't know where the ipod is' and stomps off to look for the Ipod. I told him to forget it, and I said goodbye to the kids and him and left, with him saying 'i am looking for it now, cant you just be patient? 'no' and I leave.

But I feel so wound up, so upset that he felt that right before I left for work would be a good time to try to impose his control on me, to use some kind of power trip to decide what I can and can't listen to, that he had such little regard for supporting me before work he was happy to treat me like this before I left for work. I walked for a bit, then sat down feeling angry, tearful and my confidence had just evaporated. I just felt overwhelmed by how little support I had this morning. Not at all bothered by how I might be feeling leaving my little boy, or walking into a huge office for the first time in almost a year.

I came home, could not face going into work feeling so negative, the whole point if this was to go to work feeling positive, and build on that. DH said I was making excuses, I told him that was not true, but he was not interested in hearing what I had to say, he said 'you refused to go to work because you could not listen to Mumford & Sons, it is as simple as that, you over-reacted because you could not get your own way, and you can make up something else to make yourself feel better, get angry at me to justify you not going into work if you like' and I got angry at him telling me that I would make stuff up. He told me how it was, not me telling him, and he was interested in what I think about it all.

He told me that I have ruined the day, sabotaged my return to work for whatever godknows reason, and am pretending it is because I did not have the right music.

it has nothing to do with the bloody music. But he says anything I say other than what he is saying is me making stuff up. Oh and now apparantly I am sulking.

What is your verdict ladies.

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Cheepz · 15/07/2010 11:53

IJHFM - sorry to hear about your Mum - that is rough. xx and what you describe about working it through then sharing with him only at the end - yep - thats how it is for me - si they don't get all the rollercoaster you have done

btw - you should listen to whatever you want - my dh sometimes mocks me for the amount of crap i watch on tv - well specifically my nightly dose of australias biggest loser but i just tell him to get lost - each to their own, we all relax in our own way!

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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 11:54

booyhoo not sure what you mean? the full story? the reason it is so long is i put it all in! I have missed nothing out, that I can see.

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ShirleyKnot · 15/07/2010 11:56

Really brightlight? I just cannot agree I'm afraid.

I don't think it is DEMANDING for the OP to have asked to borrow the i-pod. The fact that the DH then fucking QUIZZED her about what she wanted to listen to and then said "No" because she wanted to listen to Mumford and sons is surely the point here?

ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 11:57

cheepz thanks, gone 3.5 years, i spoke to her for hours on the phone each week, deep talking with others seems a bit, well, pointless. No-one really gives a damn, not like she did, apart from DH. But, when he is annoyed, he says stuff like he thinks I make stuff up to prove my argument/point/whatever, so i sort of don't talk so much, just deal with things myself.

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BrightLightBrightLight · 15/07/2010 11:58

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MrsC2010 · 15/07/2010 11:58

I wouldn't have not gone to work over it to be honest, that was rather an over-reaction.

ShirleyKnot · 15/07/2010 12:00

x posts suck dick.

Cheepz · 15/07/2010 12:01

IJHFM - really feel for you - was having a rant to my mum this morning about the fact dh has announced that we need to go on holiday even though i am about to start a new job / move house / move childcare - and when i objected that it would be logistically tough right now he said 'its all about what you need isn't it' selfish git - truth is he is frustrated because the house move is stressful and we all really need a holiday but his handling of situation was pants - however managed to stalk ourt of house and call Mum to commiserate.

Do you have any good friends you can confide in about this stuff, helps to not only be dependent on DH if you've not married the sensitive type!

fedupofnamechanging · 15/07/2010 12:04

brightlight - sometimes I let my dh have something that I was going to use and he will lend something to me that he was going to use. We do it because we are trying to consider each other and be nice. It is only a bad idea if it is only one person who does all the giving. The OPs husband could have put her music on her ipod. The OP did ask him to. Also, it's the timing. She is nervous on her first day back and he wouldn't do this one simple thing, which would have cost him nothing.

booyhoo · 15/07/2010 12:04

i just mean his side of it. why does he think you listen to Mumford and sons too much? the fact that you had to have that album for walking to work tells me you perhaps have a bit of a control issude yourself? i completely get that we like things to go the way we plan but you seem to have needed to have that album in order for your day to be good. the fact that you then decided not to go to work because of it suggests you maybe are a bit too dependant on everything being just right. maybe your husband has noticed this and was trying to shock you out of it (i do agree that he chose the wrong way to do it and the wrong way to go about it). also, you not going into work because of a row with your DH could be seen as you trying to make him feel guilty. as in "look how bad you made me feel".

i am not saying this is what you intended to do but it could be seen like this by him. i would like to hear his reasons why he did that this morning. but i do also think you have bigger issues than this. you both sound very childish.

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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 12:12

booyhoo i see what you are saying, but not sure that i came back to make him feel bad. I contemplated getting on a bus and going for a ride rather than go back home, and him ranting at me about not going to work. I went back as it would have been irresponsible to be away from the children without him knowing where i was, so either work, or home, and i chose home, despite him being there, rather than because of him being there.

He thinks, simply, that he refused to lend me the ipod as he did not know where it was, and also wanted me to listen to something other than the music i wanted.

I expect i do have some control issues. I don't think that is unusual when in a potentially stressful situation. I think controlling a situation helps us feel we can handle it, for example going to work for the first time in a while. I did want it to be just so, and had worked hard to make it so, but not hard enough clearly!

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booyhoo · 15/07/2010 12:21

i do understand that, i get how nervous and stressed you were about today and it helps to have everything planned out to know that it will all run smoothly. but when you are that dependant on one song/album i think you are setting yourself up for an upset. what if the ipod had been broken and you had no music for your walk to work? would that have ruined your day? sometimes tehre are things we cant control, whether an accident or someone else's doing (this was someone else's doing). i think for your own sake it would be a good idea to prepare yourself for things sometimes not working out because you actually missed a very important part of you back to work induction as a result of not having one particular album (i know it was teh row that upset you but it was because you were so intent on having that album that the row started). fwiw, i dont think thsi was something you could have planned. you couldn't possibly have planned for your DH to be an arse in the morning but if you had maybe just seen it for what it was (him being an arse) and then chosen something else to listen to then you could have jsut gotten on with your day without a row.

i do know how hard it is to start back especially after difficulty in the past.

ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 12:33

booy its not the ipod really, it is the reaction he had and his attitude towards me about it all. If he had said, the battery is dead, or, i need it, or i can't find it, or, its a a mates house (he leaves it all over the place), I would have got on with it. It was his unpleasant manner dictating to me what i can and cannot listen to, then his continued ranting at me about it all that I had an issue with. It in effect, had nothing to do with that specific music.

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fedupofnamechanging · 15/07/2010 12:35

Brightlight - I do see you distinction, and obviously no person should be compelled to do something solely on the grounds that they are married. What I'm getting at is why wouldn't he want to? To me it is no big deal to give something to my DH, or for him to give something to me. To me, part of being married is wanting to do things for each other. The fact that the OP wanted something and asked, should have been good enough for her DH.

ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 12:36

It was not that I wanted that album that upset me, it was that he refused to let me use it, help me find it because he did not want me to have it.

I reckon it might have been as simple as he could not be arsed to get up and look for it as he had gone back to bed, and did not want to say that, as he moans about me losing things.

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Blu · 15/07/2010 12:40

JollyHol - I think your summary is pretty good!

I would concentrate on how you deal with your DH being so childish / selfish / unsupportive, and also how you give yourself the strength not to be brought down by him - because that's what he wants. Talk to him about how you made his breakfast etc and supported his days work, and you need to work as a team to look after each other and your family. Your making his breakfast etc is part of a reciprocal deal - if he doesn't reciprocate, don't do it.

He was controlling and spiteful, too, but if you allow that bad behaviour to undermine your return to work he has made you a victim on 2 counts.

Cheepz · 15/07/2010 12:43

I would let this one go - its too petty to have a big row about and since you were both abit OTT its not one where you are going to agree. Best to move on maybe

Earthymama · 15/07/2010 13:04

When DP and I have difficult things to face we really try to support one another with the little things because they can bethe 'last straw' when they go wrong so I do think your DH could have been a lot bit more careful in his timing.

DP struggles with reading all the unsaid stuff so I have learned to express myself clearly and not expect the mind-reading I can do because I am more 'tuned in' to people.

When you calm down talk to him, amd DO NOT take on all the responsibility for things yourself. That way lies frustration and resentment.

Good luck for Monday!!

IsabellaSwan · 15/07/2010 14:03

I think that the fact that you culdn't have the music of your choice is a red herring. This isn't about wanting to control your environment to the nth degree and being "dependant" on the album. It's really about wanting generosity and support from your husband at an especially stressful time for you, but getting a mean, childish response from him instead. That is the kind of thing that would upset anyone.

Try to draw a line under the fact that you didn't go into work. Just make a resolution that you won't do it again - if it's just a one-off I'm sure it won't matter in the grand scheme of things.

And def get your DH to pull his weight! Even if he feels down because he's unemployed, that is HIS issue (regardless of him quitting smoking). HE is responsible for HIS emotions, not you.

Hope your return to work goes well

Bella x

ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 16:57

at 12:45pm, my DH walked through the door, and with him came running in DD with a bunch of flowers for me. They were from her apparantly. She said 'shh, daddy has some too but they are a surprise' and lo and behold, DH walks in smiles at me says 'hey! you ok?' and gives me some flowers, some sunflowers. I suppress a small smile 'what are these for?' 'to cheer you up' and then 'and you tidied the bedroom up beautifully yesterday and I know you have to go to bed early sometimes when you are very tired, so thought as you love sunflowers you might like some in our tidy room' (it is normally a mess). 'okaaaay, thank you' I say. he breezes around all light, clearly, clearly trying to be overnice. He only does that when he knows he is wrong. No apology but i do not push for one. Do not want to talk about things in front of DD, in case it turns in to a row.

He finds his ipod, and says 'oh, it is out of batteries anyway' 'why are you telling me that? 'you know why, you could not have used it anyway'. I just carried on with no more comment.

This afternoon, after I take DD swimming and he looks after DS, and I am back he says 'when are you going for second attempt at going to work? 'monday' I say 'we will try to be ultra organised on sunday night then, sort everything out so we can make sure it all goes to plan...I am sorry it did not work out this morning, i did not mean for that to happen. I did not intend to come across as trying to tell you what to do or upset not letting you have the ipod' 'yes you were' 'no i wasn't' 'that is exactly what you were doing, you wanted to stop me from listening to my music when I needed to be calm, you could have helped me 'no, i did not do it on purpose, honestly, it was out of juice' 'you did not know that at the time' 'look i have said sorry and I have bought you some flowers and on monday it will different ok?' 'yes, you have, thank you, lets move on' both of us smile and he makes me a coffee

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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 16:59

isabella thats it really, i wanted something nice, he was mean. and he knows it. which is why he said sorry, good.

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fedupofnamechanging · 15/07/2010 20:32

Glad he has apologised (of sorts). I hope all goes well for you when you return to work on monday

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