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me. Or him?

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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 10:12

Been on ML for 8 months, 6wks leave before that, and before that off work lots with HG, so not really there, gelling with the team. I have had massive issues with my employer over the years, trust issues around very poor treatment, resulting in grievance, team changes, etc etc, along with some personal issues to boot (bereavement). So, being at work has for a long time been a hard thing for me, and last ML returning to work was especially hard

This time, I made a decision to be positive, change my attitude to work, and enjoy it. I am returning on hours that fit better with my personal commitments, and have a new manager who appears to be responsive to my needs/wishes and wants to make my return to work as smooth as possible.

So, we have agreed that it would be good to use some of my keeping in touch days to ease me back in slowly (my suggestion), so one morning this week, one, maybe two next week, then two the following two weeks then return at the end of my ML the following week officially, which will only actually be 3 days. The following week will be 5 days as normal (mornings). My manager has said that these Keeping in Touch days are to be completely flexible around me, the hours, and the days to suit and change as needed, so we can deal with teething issues, get my head used to being back in work mode, so when I start officially, we are hopefully on an even keel.

Anyway, I am going on, sorry. DH has been unemployed for a while, and has over the last two weeks had a little work. Not much, but helping out a friend (self employed, both of them), it has been physical work and I know DH has been out of work for a while, so in the mornings I have got up with the kids immediately, sorted their breakfast, made a drink and brekky for DH, so he can just get ready, be calm in his head, and leave knowing it is happy and calm this end. I did this for him yesterday.

Today is my first Keeping in Touch day. Last night, I got todays breakfast/lunch/tea sorted for the children, and a bottle for DS. This morning, he stayed in bed 'dozing' while I fed DS, then DD got up, we snuggled for a bit then at 7:15 I got up, gave the kids their breakfast, made myself and DH a cuppa, had brekky myself, went to go in the shower, DH nipped in, got himself brekky, got milk from shops, then looked after the children while I got ready.

I wanted to walk into work. Takes about 20 mins, and although the weather is a bit shitty, I wanted the time to clear my head, prepare myself for work. I was looking forward to it, for the first time, in probably years. But apprehensive due to the amount of time I have had off, and also apprehensive about leaving my baby boy, although overall not too bad about that. Was looking forward to the walk and listening to Mumford & Sons. It is my favourite album and I listen to a lot in the car, love driving on my own so I can have it loud, happens rarely so was really looking forward to this before work, relaxing, calming, and positive.

It is not on my Ipod, it turns out DH put it on his, not mine, a while ago when I asked. I asked DH if I could use his Ipod, he sees me looking through mine sighing and says 'oh god why do you want mine? Not to listen to Mumford & Sons again? 'can i borrow it or not?' 'why do you want it first?' 'so listen to Mumford & Sons' "no then, listen to something else' 'please let me borrow your ipod, i don't want to listen to anything else, i really want to listen to that album' 'you have listened to it too much, No' 'please' 'no' 'come on, all my other music is shit' 'i don't know where it is' 'can you help me look for it, I was really looking forward to it on the walk to work' 'no, just listen to something else, you can't just listen to Mumford & sons all the time' 'fine' and I took off my headphones and threw it on the bed.

I was really quite upset, probably without good reason, but then he went on 'oh chucking your toys out the pram are you? chucking them on the bed, stop behaving like a baby' 'well, dont treat my like a baby dictating what I can and can't listen to' 'nenene! such a baby, getting in a strop because I don't know where the ipod is' and stomps off to look for the Ipod. I told him to forget it, and I said goodbye to the kids and him and left, with him saying 'i am looking for it now, cant you just be patient? 'no' and I leave.

But I feel so wound up, so upset that he felt that right before I left for work would be a good time to try to impose his control on me, to use some kind of power trip to decide what I can and can't listen to, that he had such little regard for supporting me before work he was happy to treat me like this before I left for work. I walked for a bit, then sat down feeling angry, tearful and my confidence had just evaporated. I just felt overwhelmed by how little support I had this morning. Not at all bothered by how I might be feeling leaving my little boy, or walking into a huge office for the first time in almost a year.

I came home, could not face going into work feeling so negative, the whole point if this was to go to work feeling positive, and build on that. DH said I was making excuses, I told him that was not true, but he was not interested in hearing what I had to say, he said 'you refused to go to work because you could not listen to Mumford & Sons, it is as simple as that, you over-reacted because you could not get your own way, and you can make up something else to make yourself feel better, get angry at me to justify you not going into work if you like' and I got angry at him telling me that I would make stuff up. He told me how it was, not me telling him, and he was interested in what I think about it all.

He told me that I have ruined the day, sabotaged my return to work for whatever godknows reason, and am pretending it is because I did not have the right music.

it has nothing to do with the bloody music. But he says anything I say other than what he is saying is me making stuff up. Oh and now apparantly I am sulking.

What is your verdict ladies.

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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 10:54

chiccadee the out of work thing. He has been unemployed for the whole of my pg, and the whole of my ML, he has had plenty of time to a) change it and b) get used to looking after the children. Being a carer is not new to him, when he did work, we split the carer role, both worked part time, although me more hours than him.

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HarderToKidnap · 15/07/2010 10:55

He was an arse. But you were incredibly feeble not to go into work because of it.

ItsGraceActually · 15/07/2010 10:55

I'm afraid I think it odd that he put your album on his ipod, and then refused to let you listen to it. WTF? He's telling you what music you can listen to privately? Ridiculous.

This morning, though, you got your priorities out of order. He was, definitely, being an arse - and weird with it. But he'll still be an arse when you get home; your job won't be there at all if you dip out because of a domestic tussle!

My personal view is that he IS a controller; I can't imagine any normal person behaving this way, even if he was a bit jealous about you going back to work. You've indicated you don't want to discuss any deeper issues ... so, HWBU. And YWBVU to miss your start-back because of it.

ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 10:56

kharma and shirleyknot thank you, thank you. I know i should have been the bigger person, that is what my rational side thinks, that is also what my DH thinks, for sure. But the bigger part of me. That part of me wanted to stamp on his fucking ipod!

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thesecondcoming · 15/07/2010 10:58

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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 10:58

harder yes I was, I was stupid not to do it, luckily it is re-arranged for monday. I agree i should have just gone in, even though it was just to catch up with colleagues today.

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chiccadee · 15/07/2010 10:58

ShirleyKnot - I think it was more about the OP not turning up to work, and also being overly upset at what was - in real terms - a fairly petty 'tussle' with her DP on a day which was probably quite stressful for both of them. A bit OTT all round, given what the dispute was about.

If only music was all my ex-DH and I had to argue about.

ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 11:00

(chicadee) not entirely sure today was stressful at all for him. He didn't do anything apart from shower, eat brekky, drink tea that I made him and play bob the builder songs with DD while DS was in his cot, he and DD had gone back to bed!

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Blu · 15/07/2010 11:00

You actually failed to go into work on the agreed day ebcause you let a row about listening to an ipod undermine your confidence?

OK. You need to look v carefully at your communication with DH. Indeed, he was childish and unsupportive, and rather selfish. he should have mucked in and made sure that you were BOTH ready.

However, your reaction to finding that the music wasn't on your ipod was an over-reaction, and should never have led to you failing to go into work. As an employer I would be highly wary of an employee who did thei. Arrange days round you, for sure - but to turn back on an arranged day?

If your DH does behave like this you need to be able to rise above it, and remain calm and assertive. You knew from a while ago that it was on his iPod. And why does HE out things on the iPod - can't you do your own if it's so important to you?

he was selfish, childish and unreasonable, but YOU let that get the better of you, to your own detriment.

Can you go on an assertiveness training cours, or something to boost your self confidence and self-esteem? Maybe a 'women returners to work' course?

You cannot make a days work dependent on having everything so carefully 'right' - there will be biger issues - poorly kids, etc.

Deliaskis · 15/07/2010 11:01

IAJHWM, I completely get what you are saying, and agree that he was unsupportive of you on what was bound to be a challenging day, and yes in a marriage it is more than reasonable to expect support from your partner, that's part of the point of a relationship to be honest. So I agree with all of that.

It's starting to sound a little like the situ might not have happened if you and DH had communicated a little more about what would happen this morning, before it did. Perhaps it would have been a good idea to sit down and say 'I'm quite nervous about KIT day but I'm looking forward to it in other ways, and I really want to go in with a positive attitude, so I'm going to try and keep a calm and clear head in the morning. I've done x, y and z to help things go smoothly with DCs, it would be really helpful if you could help me by doing a, b and c' (and include putting the album on your ipod if it is important to you!). Well OK, not quite like that, as it sounds really wanky, but it might have been a useful way for you to keep control of what happened to you this morning. It might have stopped you feeling like he 'stole' the control away from you.

And on top of that, when little things go wrong, like the ipod, try to dismiss them as too insignificant to affect your shiny new positive approach.

Next time out will be fine I am sure.

D

ShirleyKnot · 15/07/2010 11:02
BrightLightBrightLight · 15/07/2010 11:02

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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 11:03

I do thank you for all the perspectives.

I have taken from this.

  1. DH was a complete arse for not letting me borrow his ipod.
  2. DH was not supportive and unjustly so.
  3. DH was possibly a bit controlling this morning by refusing to let me listen to music I wanted
  4. I over-reacted
  5. I should have ridden it and gone to work
  6. I need to stop listening Mumford & Sons!
  7. I need to support myself and not rely on DH, as if he does not do/say something I want next time, I have to get over it and feel happy about going to work anyway.
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ShirleyKnot · 15/07/2010 11:04

Oh x posted with loads of people.

If someone TOLD me what music I could and couldn't listen to, on earphones (therefore IN MY HEAD and not disturbing anyone else) on my first day back to work after ML, and that person was my fucking HUSBAND? Yeah, I might well have turned around and gone home.

ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 11:08

shirley that made me smile thank you! He lost his job last year, made redundant, not worked since, for many long and complicated reasons. Life and shit got chucked at us, and its been hard for him to get himself back on track. He is going back to college in Sept to re-train.

brightlight

1)Why should he have given you his iPod? Its his, he might have wanted it and you could have put the album on your own iPod the night before - I had asked him to put it on my ipod so I could listen to it in the kitchen a while ago, i listened to it in the kitchen, he had put it on his, not mine, i did not know that til this morning. Or else I would have.

  1. Are you going to cry off work everytime you have a bad morning and can't go into work in a positive mood? No, I am learning from this, and shall not ask DH anything that he will be able to refuse or moan about. Everything I want to happen will be sorted myself in future. I shall not put pressure on myself to make my morning 'perfect' before work. That is part of what these "keeping in touch' days are about, to deal with stuff like this before I actually have to be in work in a few weeks.
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chiccadee · 15/07/2010 11:08

Good for you IJHM. That's a really positive post.

ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 11:10

shirleyknot you think like me. That is what I thought, tbh.

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whatname · 15/07/2010 11:10

From what you have written here, you sound like you have totally overthought everything and were way more wound up about work than you will admit to yourself.
he could have been more helpful, but really, it was a very silly row about an ipod. And sorry who the hell are Mumford and Sons?!!!!!!!

but I think there is far more to the situation than meets the eye. is he an arse most of the time?

whatname · 15/07/2010 11:11

off to google Mumford and Sons!!

Deliaskis · 15/07/2010 11:11

I would echo what Chiccadee said - I admire the way you are being so positive about hearing a variety of perspectives here.

Good luck for Monday.

D

ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 11:13

but, while I know now that the issue of not going to work is mine alone - I still think he acted like a complete nob, and was completely unjustified, unnecessary and rather inflammatory today. He did not have to do it. If he needed/wanted the ipod, he could have just said so 'no my dear, as I was going to use it' would have sufficed, he did not say that to me, as he did not consider if he might need it, he wanted to stop me from listening to my music.

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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 11:14

whatname they are an excellent band from London. They make me go weak at the knees they sound so fab. Sad but true.

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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 11:15

no, he is not an arse most of the time. I would not be with him if he was! He is an arse some of the time. Usually at the most inappropriate time.

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ItsaJollyHolidayforMary · 15/07/2010 11:16

ok I am going to go and sort out my ipod, put all new stuff on it. There will be no more asking DH to put music on it for me, for him to say yes/no to whatever music I might want.

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Shineynewthings · 15/07/2010 11:17

I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned this is mostly his fault. as Karmabeliever says you are an adult woman, able to choose what you want to listen to and when you'd like to listen to it. You are not a 5 year old who has to ask permission. From where i'm typing, this was entirely about control.

And as for his accussation that you acted like a child, well my guess is he was sub-conciously betting on your reaction because a negative reaction is just what he wanted. He wanted you to get in a fluff, otherwise why wouldn't he do such a small and innocuous thing as giving his wife her favourite music on her first day back at work?

Several things going on, not best placed to judge, by I think that he's feeling bad about not working and he resents you having done everything perfectly ie; Looking after children, getting up early, getting breakfast, going out to be the main bread-winner. He can't legitimately complain about any of that so he starts a flaming row which then leads you to feeling low, and acting in a way which gives him the moral high ground. You've been played here. You are at fault for letting him have success. You should have carried on to work calmly, and not given him the victory - you probably might have got an apology later.

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