to absolutely hate the anti GP/doctor bashing mentality on MN?

[macdoodle]

When most if not all the doctors/GP's I know personally and professionally have a lot of training, and are doing the best they can, despite ridiculous government rules and beuarocracy, and dont get paid a fortune, far from it!

In fact I know IANBU, so much so, that I am taking a break from MN because the lot of you dr bashing makes me feel slightly ill, and some of those calling their GP's twats make me feel so angry I may say something I will regret

My GP is superb, but I've met some really cruddy ones.

It appals me that that the government wants to put so much financial power into the hands of GP's, but doesn't surprise me: most doctors are privately educated conservative voters who send their own children to private schools. DC probably thinks of them as 'one of us' and exactly the right people to be making important decisions for us proles.

"most doctors are privately educated conservative voters who send their own children to private schools. DC probably thinks of them as 'one of us' and exactly the right people to be making important decisions for us proles."

I don't think that's true Titty not for GP's anyway.

people share anecdotal experience.for them it is a real lived experience.BUT this doesnt make it applicable to all gp.drs/hcp. and uncomfortable as it is to read any professional getting it wrong one cannot censor individualexperience.people are entitled to their opinion.and that opinion can be refuted and challenged too

on the balance of it i have also seen isnt the nhs wonderful threads on mn

health visitors and social workers regularly get pilloried on mn, and take a pasting. no single profession is above criticism and that includes gp and doctors,teacher,hcp,whom ever. trick is to not personalise posts as an individual attack

look at anti-psychiatry movement.psychiatrists vehmently opposing and challenging the psychiatriac system

sterotyping doctors as harrumphing private ed tories.now that is a lame lazy sterotype

Titty hahaha really??, do you read the Mail a lot ??

"most doctors are privately educated conservative voters who send their own children to private schools. DC probably thinks of them as 'one of us' and exactly the right people to be making important decisions for us proles."

Shows you haven't got a clue ttbangbang

job sterotypes are always a laugh and inaccurate.what is your job titty so we can cast aspersions and sterotypes about that too

op yanbu, my dh is a gp, he is kind knowledable and hardworking.I think a lot of patients, especially middle class,educated ones present themselves at gps surgeries under what only can be described as a haze of ignorant arrogance, others are quite simply just deluded that they know best.

YANBU

It seems to apply to all medical staff, and anybody who works in a school too. ie 'I know better then a professional'.

I'm 39 and have never once been spoken to rudely by a doctor's receptionist for example, but for many here it seems to be a) the norm and b) worth getting into a fury over.

I just don't see it myself.

well you are hardly impartial if dh is gp.you would say that...

no YANBU

Anyone who thinks you are should try and imagine if it was their job that was constantly maligned in the press with lies and gross generalisation almost every single day for years.

Of course there are bad GPs and good ones, that goes without saying but think about when you do your job how you would feel to constantly be told you are crap at it when you know how hard you work and under what difficult circumstances (estate agents and lawyers probably understand a little)

ps. Macdoodle - if you are still reading this maybe its time to give mumsnet a break and head over to the crocodile pit on that well known other forum

I find mumsnet is good in very small doses but not representative of most of our patients (not mine at least).

jobs/people get sterotyped.not nice but it happens.certainly not worth undue anxiety

I think people have much higher expectations of doctors than other public servants and rightly so as they are in charge of our lives and deaths HOWEVER they are still just people abd are fallible/get tired/get it wrong etc and we have to accept that rather than name calling etc which I find odd.It is no good saying 'they're nor god' (which I hear often)when they decide on tricky decisions which you may not agree with when 'being god' is precisely what you are asking if you expect them to be perfect!

You are taking it too personally.
its not that Mn is particularly Gp bashing. we complain about everything on MN. bad proffessionals, HV's, counsellors, council workers, everyone. and you can only make comments based on your experiences. i have met good and bad gp's. like any other profession.

not

bit insensitive IMO that people have turned a thread by a GP hurt by comments into ANOTHER GP bashing thread.

some people, not all, of course

I don't think you are being unreasonable. I am not a doctor but both my brother and sister are, and they work incredibly hard in hospitals for not that much money, after 6 years of very hard word to get through med school. They both do their absolute best, and the way that some patients talk to them is literally unbelievable. To say that you hate all doctors, or all doctors are incompetent because of one experience is the same as saying that you hate all Scottish people because you once met one you didn't like, or that you hate all people with blonde hair for the same reason. Its totally arbitrary, unjustified, and foolish. The vast, vast majority of doctors, nurses and other medical professionals are doing their best to do a good job, in the not very easy surroundings of the NHS, and put up with a huge amount of rudeness from ungrateful and unpleasant patients! I agree that people should feel free to raise their bad experiences on MN, but a number of the posters below seem to feel justified in animosity towards the whole medical profession because of one bad experience, once. All of us make mistakes at work at one time or another, none of us are perfect. If you work in medicine you have to carry around the burden of knowing what the consequences of your mistakes might be, which compared to the level of responsibility most people have to take on at work must be pretty terrifying! To use the fact that you once came one doctor who had made a mistake is hardly a basis for bashing the whole profession is, on any view, ludicrous.

I have just noticed ttittybangbang's comment about all GP's being private school educated tories! So clueless it literally made me laugh out loud!

mn=someone you dont know will slag off your job/where you live/how you parent/how you wean/how you didnt wean/fact you have a bugaboo/fact you dont have a bugaboo/sling wearing/mode of birth....and quite frankly it shouldn't matter.nor should it be taken as a personal attack

no professional group is immune from a wee poking -it is character building

Darkandstormy, arrogance isn't confined solely to a selection of patients. The frustration at not being listened to by a GP pushes some people to be overly assertive, I think. What else is there to do when you're really ill yet fobbed off? If only some GPs would treat the symptoms and not dismiss the patient out of hand because they clearly don't have enough expertise in a certain area and test results, though by NHS standards are borderline, still fall within 'normal' range. Doesn't stop the patient feeling crap and still as unwell as they always were !

It's a bit like ''Off you toddle, tests clear'' and you're left saying "But, but, but......."

And I really don't think anyone is saying all GPs are rubbish, just the same as the GPs/family of GPs aren't saying all patients are arrogant/rude know-it-alls.