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My husband - How to help him without leaving?

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SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 01:53

My husband drinks one bottle of wine a day. He does this after work which finishes (for him) at 10pm and before he goes to bed at midnight. So it’s a lot of alcohol to consume within 2 hours. In the day he gets up at 7, brings me coffee and breakfast and then walks (often runs) a 5k with the dog. He cooks, cleans and makes me laugh. He is a kind and gentle husband. He is very attractive, looks as fit as a fiddle, well dressed, well respected at work. He basically seems like he has his shit together to everyone in the outside world. He goes to work in the afternoon and whilst he finds his job a bit mundane, he earns decent money. He doesn’t really have friends anymore, he did have a large group of childhood friends and is still connected with them on social media but they party pretty hard every weekend it seems (all 40 somethings like us) and he doesn’t really have the energy for that and i don’t drink. He’s also an introvert and would rather not socialise if he can help it. He loves my parents and my Dad is probably his best friend. we see them frequently. My family is full of male heavy drinkers , so my husbands habits just sort of blend in.

As a drunk he just becomes quiet and a shadow of himself. It’s like he isn’t really there. He doesn’t say or do anything hurtful to me, he’s just….boring to be honest. I don’t think anyone could consider his behaviour abusive towards me. I’m completely financially independent, we share one property but I own another in my name alone, so I could easily leave if I wanted to, but I don’t want to. I love every single thing about him, except the alcohol. The only person he is abusing is himself and it is painful to watch at times, and I worry why he feels this need to sink into the abyss most nights.

At the weekend he’ll have 2 bottles on a Saturday and sometimes 2 on a Sunday, sometime he’ll have none at all. The occasional ‘nothing’ day leads him to believe he can take it or leave it, thus his ongoing belief that he is a not alcoholic. Of course I know he is. His father was an alcoholic. The type that drinks with breakfast and has his own stool at the pub. I think that’s what my husband uses as the benchmark of ‘official alcoholic’. But he knows really, deep down, that he has the same problem in a slightly different shaped bottle.

He drank 3 bottles of wine today. Well, it was a box which contains 3 bottles worth. He did this last weekend too. So it seems his limit is increasing. He was properly drunk, slurring his words, glassy eyed, which I haven’t seen for a while. His poor body was so used to 2 bottles. It made me angry. I stupidly confronted him while he was drunk and we had a pointless conversation with me crying and begging him to stop but he won’t fully remember it tomorrow. He will probably be remorseful and might even not drink anything. The cycle briefly interrupted.

I do not want to leave my husband. The thought makes me feel sick. I don’t even know where I would start. My reason would only be his drinking. I’d prefer to stay and support him through quitting. He does try to quit from time to time. He has read a couple of books. But he can only last a week, maybe a few weeks sometimes. Then something triggers him (he doesn’t know what) and he very casually says “I just fancy a drink you know? Just one, nothing mental” and before the week is through, he’s back to his usual 2 bottles. Or I guess it might be a box from now on.

I’ve suggested AA but he says it’s just religious nonsense. I found what looks like nom-secular group locally but he says not to worry, it’s fine and he can do it on his own.

I’ve had counselling in the past and I was advised not to intervene when his drinking increases. If I wish to ‘hang around’ and support him that is my choice, but to not deprive him of the rock bottom he may need to hit in order to get proper help.

I think a rock bottom may be approaching, but it is so hard to watch. A big part of me feels angry with him, but I know this addiction isn’t his fault and I want to stay compassionate and supportive.

There are lots of alcoholics in this forum yet all the advice to spouses of alcoholics seems to be a blanket ‘you must leave him’. I don’t understand the logic of this and it’s not what addiction specialists advise either, from what I’ve read anyway. So how do I stay and support him? What do I say? What do I do?

Im curious, if you are an alcoholic, did your spouse leave you? Or are you being supported by them? What do they say/do to help you? What doesn’t help?

Sorry, long post. Didn’t want to drip feed.

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mydogsteppedonabee · 23/04/2023 02:00

I could have written this.
I've no answers for you but you're not alone x

heartbroken22 · 23/04/2023 02:01

I'd threaten to leave unless he went to AA. Sometimes the best thing you can do is leave them.

SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 02:05

mydogsteppedonabee · 23/04/2023 02:00

I could have written this.
I've no answers for you but you're not alone x

Thank you. How are you coping with it?

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SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 02:09

heartbroken22 · 23/04/2023 02:01

I'd threaten to leave unless he went to AA. Sometimes the best thing you can do is leave them.

But I’m not sure this would be the best thing for me. I love him and I want to be around him. If we divorced I would be miserable and would miss him everyday, which seems ludicrous. I really like and love my husband. When he is drunk, I still love him.

Isn’t addiction just a manifestation of a mental illness? I wouldn’t leave him if he had bipolar or depression.

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nzeire · 23/04/2023 02:11

My husband didn’t leave me :)

he wasn’t amazingly supportive (being a drinker himself) but not unsupportive (knew that there was a difference with my drinking)

I did it on my own. When I was ready.

I am so grateful to him he hung in there with me.

thinking back, what I would have found useful would have been a heartfelt letter, letting me know how my drinking was affecting our family. Some ideas on how to get through it together. Who knows if I would have listened, in my experience, it’s a pretty lonely journey no matter who is around for you

AcrossthePond55 · 23/04/2023 02:14

But I’m not sure this would be the best thing for me. I love him and I want to be around him

So what's more important to his recovery and sobriety, what's best for you or what's best for him?

Addiction is not a 'manifestation' of a mental illness. It is a disease in and of itself.

staciea31 · 23/04/2023 02:16

Hi op
so sorry your going through this and I understand what you mean when you say everyone says leave my situation is a little different my partner isn’t a drinker but it’s my mother who is she is a alcoholic although she won’t admit that or get any help so I can’t just leave the situation as it’s my mom I also have a 12 year old little brother who I have to make sure is ok , it’s so so hard seeing someone you love drink the way our loved ones do I can’t offer any advice I just wanted to let you know you aren’t alone hope things get better hun xx

FriendsDrinkBook · 23/04/2023 02:20

Do you have children op? If no , do you want them?

SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 02:21

nzeire · 23/04/2023 02:11

My husband didn’t leave me :)

he wasn’t amazingly supportive (being a drinker himself) but not unsupportive (knew that there was a difference with my drinking)

I did it on my own. When I was ready.

I am so grateful to him he hung in there with me.

thinking back, what I would have found useful would have been a heartfelt letter, letting me know how my drinking was affecting our family. Some ideas on how to get through it together. Who knows if I would have listened, in my experience, it’s a pretty lonely journey no matter who is around for you

I’m so pleased you found your way and your husband was able to stay with you. I wonder whether my husband really see’s me as being supportive or not. We don’t talk about it very often. Today was unusual because I became upset.

what you have is what I’m hoping for. He stuck by me through a 2 year spate of severe depression several years ago and I became intolerable during that time.

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SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 02:29

AcrossthePond55 · 23/04/2023 02:14

But I’m not sure this would be the best thing for me. I love him and I want to be around him

So what's more important to his recovery and sobriety, what's best for you or what's best for him?

Addiction is not a 'manifestation' of a mental illness. It is a disease in and of itself.

But he doesn’t want us to separate either. So how would it benefit him for me to leave?

Can people really only get sober if they are single?

And if alcohol addiction is a disease how can I justify leaving him for that but not for another disease, like COPD? Why does alcohol addiction have to necessitate being alone?

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SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 02:38

staciea31 · 23/04/2023 02:16

Hi op
so sorry your going through this and I understand what you mean when you say everyone says leave my situation is a little different my partner isn’t a drinker but it’s my mother who is she is a alcoholic although she won’t admit that or get any help so I can’t just leave the situation as it’s my mom I also have a 12 year old little brother who I have to make sure is ok , it’s so so hard seeing someone you love drink the way our loved ones do I can’t offer any advice I just wanted to let you know you aren’t alone hope things get better hun xx

Thank you. Truthfully things are ok most of the time. Or at least they’ve been stable and predictable for a while, until last weekend. I guess I became accustomed to the pattern, I occupy myself with other things (usually just go to bed during the week anyway). So it doesn’t effect me much until around 7pm on a Saturday night and I can toddle off and do something else while he spends the even zombified watching TV meaning I avoid getting much exposure to the drunk version of him. But last weekend and this weekend he drank more than usual so he was drunk-ER and earlier in the day..

I think I should have just left it and not said anything. He needs to find his own rock bottom, not mine. (Quoting my old counsellor there!)

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staciea31 · 23/04/2023 02:40

I really feel for you hun as it Is an awful thing to have to live through it’s becoming increasingly worse with my mom , and no you shouldn’t have left it and not said anything as your feelings are valid and they matter I do hope things improve for you and your husband sending love x

LadyJ2023 · 23/04/2023 02:47

Hmmm I read this totally differently so on work days 1 bottle of wine..no diffrent to the 3 or 4 cans my hubby brothers dad have each day after work. A box of wine at wkend wouldn't say any different to the guys going out and downing ten pints lol. I find it odd that he's actually a very good husband to you and I'm guessing because your not a drinker thats why your bothered tbh. Quiet after a drink well least you haven't got the daft jokes and silly banter I get from my men family haha. Anyway the more you make it an issue the more you push someone and to be frank leaving over that doesn't exactly show your love and support.

staciea31 · 23/04/2023 02:51

I totally disagree Ladyj I have mentioned on this thread about my mom being alcohol dependant which is tearing my family apart I have an occasional drink so I don’t think the fact the op doesn’t drink is why she is feeling this way and I think she needs love and support her feelings are validated

LawksaMercyMissus · 23/04/2023 03:05

It's a hell of a lot to drink in a week. My DH started like this and it took many years to kill him, but it did a few months ago.

I finally left after going to AlAnon. He was never abusive or aggressive but the drink was more important than me or our children. We no longer had any family life and if he wasn't working, he was snoring on the sofa. He drained our joint account every month and refused to deal with the fallout.

Everyone thought I was mad leaving an attractive, charming successful man but he gradually went downhill, losing his job, his licence, his friends, his family and his home. He didn't eat for the last three months of his life and could only move around on all fours.

Please go to Al Anon and tell him that you're going.

SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 03:10

LadyJ2023 · 23/04/2023 02:47

Hmmm I read this totally differently so on work days 1 bottle of wine..no diffrent to the 3 or 4 cans my hubby brothers dad have each day after work. A box of wine at wkend wouldn't say any different to the guys going out and downing ten pints lol. I find it odd that he's actually a very good husband to you and I'm guessing because your not a drinker thats why your bothered tbh. Quiet after a drink well least you haven't got the daft jokes and silly banter I get from my men family haha. Anyway the more you make it an issue the more you push someone and to be frank leaving over that doesn't exactly show your love and support.

I get it. I’m constantly asking myself if I’m over thinking this. It’s hard to explain except to say that he’s definitely not drinking in a happy sociable way. Today he drank 3 bottles of wine, quietly, alone. My family are drinkers, very sociable, very good fun and I’ve grown up with that around me. I actually think I have a pretty relaxed attitude around alcohol. I was allowed to drink whatever I wanted from the age of 14. But imagine your other half drinking in this way and kind of becoming empty with it. Not smiling, not happy…. Not crying either it has to be said! Just not anything. I think we, as a society, have massively normalised drinking alcohol. But my husband can’t go more than 1 day without it, which I think is the problem.

Although I must admit I’ve reread your post 3 times as I’d like to think his behaviour was actually normal. Maybe the amount is normal…. It’s just the way he is with it, doesn’t feel normal to me.

Interestingly, my mum who doesn’t drink either, says I shouldn’t worry about it. “He works hard, let him have a drink”. She doesn’t worry about my Dad at all, and he probably matches my husband in terms of consumption.

Maybe that’s a better philosophy to have than tying myself up in agony over it. If he wants to quit at any point, then I’ll be there.

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SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 03:15

LawksaMercyMissus · 23/04/2023 03:05

It's a hell of a lot to drink in a week. My DH started like this and it took many years to kill him, but it did a few months ago.

I finally left after going to AlAnon. He was never abusive or aggressive but the drink was more important than me or our children. We no longer had any family life and if he wasn't working, he was snoring on the sofa. He drained our joint account every month and refused to deal with the fallout.

Everyone thought I was mad leaving an attractive, charming successful man but he gradually went downhill, losing his job, his licence, his friends, his family and his home. He didn't eat for the last three months of his life and could only move around on all fours.

Please go to Al Anon and tell him that you're going.

I’m so sorry you went through this. It must have been so painful to watch. I can’t even imagine my husband getting that bad, but I suppose you couldn’t at one stage?

My husband saw his Dad do it though.

So do I leave him in anticipation of that possibly happening to him too? It just doesn’t feel right to me. Not yet.

I will find a group in my area, thank you.

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mathanxiety · 23/04/2023 03:17

SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 02:38

Thank you. Truthfully things are ok most of the time. Or at least they’ve been stable and predictable for a while, until last weekend. I guess I became accustomed to the pattern, I occupy myself with other things (usually just go to bed during the week anyway). So it doesn’t effect me much until around 7pm on a Saturday night and I can toddle off and do something else while he spends the even zombified watching TV meaning I avoid getting much exposure to the drunk version of him. But last weekend and this weekend he drank more than usual so he was drunk-ER and earlier in the day..

I think I should have just left it and not said anything. He needs to find his own rock bottom, not mine. (Quoting my old counsellor there!)

You need to go to AlAnon for families of alcoholics.

You also need to read about and try to understand the concept of co-dependency and how it applies to you.

The difference between alcoholism and the other illnesses you mention on this thread is that addiction is a self-inflicted illness whose main feature is the increasing lack of connection - the decreasing sense of the importance of connection - between the addict and those around him. The opposite of addiction is connection, not sobriety, as a relative of mine now in recovery once said to me.

As your husband becomes more and more addicted - less and less connected to you and less invested in connection - you are going to find your own rock bottom is more and more unbearable. It may take time for your heart to catch up with your brain here. Don't let him take you down with him. You can only save someone who wants to be saved.

You've seen the three plus bottle future. You're ready experiencing the loneliness the addiction is causing, heading to bed alone, avoiding the spectacle of your drunk H on weekends.

Go back to therapy. Go to AlAnon. Save yourself.

FriendsDrinkBook · 23/04/2023 03:22

Op. Please wake up. Your father is most likely an alcoholic , you then went on to marry one. The amount your husband drinks is normal , yes , normal for

You get one shot at life. Do you really want to spend it alone each evening because your husband's primary relationship is with alcohol?

FriendsDrinkBook · 23/04/2023 03:25

*normal for an alcoholic.

LawksaMercyMissus · 23/04/2023 03:26

Mathanxiety explains it well.

We stayed close even after I left (in retrospect this was great for him, but awful for me) and I repeatedly stole his rock bottom by dialling 999 when he'd had various accidents. They'd patch him up, dry him out and send him back home to do it again.

It slowly impacted my mental health, so slowly that I didn't realise how low I was until he died and I was relieved.

LawksaMercyMissus · 23/04/2023 03:27

Just to add, he always said he didn't have a problem, it was just that I didn't drink enough.

mathanxiety · 23/04/2023 03:28

@SubtlePanic
I guess I've become accustomed to the pattern...

The feeling of disquiet you experienced comes from the end of an illusion that you have been up to now in control of the situation or that the situation is somehow under control, unlikely to change, predictable.

Now that he's progressed to a three bottle box, you are losing that illusion.

You are realising that you are up against something that can't be controlled. Wondering if you should leave or stay and support - both alternatives are an attempt to regain control, or the illusion of control.

Your H's drinking has gone beyond control. You're fooling yourself if you think either staying or leaving will make a difference. You have to think only of what's best for you now, but you need to accept that your H won't be the lovely husband most of the time forever. Drinking will gradually take over his life. You will be relegated to the extreme periphery, if you feature at all.

SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 03:34

Ok…. Now that has hit home. You are absolutely right, we have been slowly losing connection over the last few years. I joke about us being ships passing in the night, but it’s not funny really. It’s just sad. Some weeks go by and I realise we’ve hardly spent any actual time together. He’s ticking all the husband boxes as far as an outsider looking in could tell, but between us, it’s like we’re just people existing in the same house sometimes. One drinking all the wine, the other possibly enabling it by not causing a scene…….?

I feel so incredibly upset that this is happening to him and us. I don’t think he’s choosing it, more that he is powerless to it. Could I stay living with him and support him without being codependent somehow? Is that what I would learn at AL-Anon?

OR…. Can I go back to burying my head in the sand for a while? I’m not sure I’m ready to risk him choosing the wine over me right now.

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SubtlePanic · 23/04/2023 03:37

@mathanxiety

I’ve read your second post now which answers my last.

Thank you.

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