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[Frouby]

Thread 8 for Tryers to be Dryers.

Join in for help and support and lots of laughs to reduce alcohol. Whatever you want to achieve with your alcohol intake, whether it's alcoholidays, dry days, less booze in general we are all in the same boat.

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Oh longest, that does sound shit. Where does that leave you in terms of childcare?

Leaving - well I go through stages. I think sometimes that bread causes me heartburn. Wierd but true. I was dry Sunday night yet had heartburn and reflux yesterday. Mind you I didn’t eat proper meals so think an empty stomach can make it worst. Had wine last night and ok today. So not sure it’s directly linked although I know that sometimes it can’t be helpful.
Maybe stress can cause it. Yesterday I spent most of the day in tears.

Today is a new day!! Aim for moderation tonight. Maybe glass of red so I don’t down a bottle of easy drinking Pinot!

flossie that's not so weird actually. The only time I had heartburn outside of pregnancy, it was years and years ago and a friend suggested avoiding wheat for a week. It worked like a charm. And yes I'm sure stress is a factor too. I had a laryngoscopy last week to look at unexplained sore throat. No drink-related throat cancer to be found. Dr said chronic laryngitis which seems to be Dr talk 'you have a sore throat and we don't know why'. Stress and fatigue came up as factors. Have a hug at least flossie

Yes leaving. We might end up putting them one at a time in after school club and he can have a bit of 1:1 time with each of them, which might work better, but i feel kind of sad about it, and a bit resentful, tbh, as i am once again supposed to be main breadwinner, main child carer, domestic drudge, family diary manager and chef. That is probably a bit unfair as things have been a bit better on general but on a grumpy day that's how i feel. Though he probably feels worse to be fair.

It didn't help that when we tried to have a serious talk about dd1 about alternatives and the consequences of her constant fighting with dd2, she was monkeying around under the table and asking what was in the box that had just arrived and making it very clear she wasn't really going to engage with the issue. Then now she is all "sorry, sorry, give me one more chance i beg you etc etc" which has worn very thin and frankly pissed me off, though she's only 8 and with possible ADHD so is hard to know whether my expectations are unreasonable.

Oh I forgot family taxi service as i am the only driver. Bah.

Flossie indigestion can be caused by so many different things. Bread sounds a likely culprit.

I hear you longest I hold the fort in most every aspect too with a 50 hour work week. Not crazy admittedly and less than his but still. He is not ill but a senior manager with a diplomatic function too and an insomniac. In fact yesterday I frog marched him to a sleep specialist because its so fucking out of control. No more than 3-4 hours a night. A plan is in place at least.

I don't know how my kids would react to a plan like that, they too fight but then are really more secure and comfortable as a pair.

I wish i could say that about mine leaving. They can be sweet together, and more so if they are left entirely to their own devices, but as soon as there's something to rival over, whether it is a physical object or adult attention they are fucking terrible. Dd1 winds dd2 up. Dd2 overreacts. The whole thing turns into a shrieky nightmare which is just horrible and depressing and dh has said he can't cope with the stress as it triggers his ME. Which is probably fair pn one level but also feels lame, and it is no fum for me either tbh so i would much rather find some way to manage them that would work for both of us. Have no idea what that might be though, although have instigated "kindness points" bribery system and am considering v early nights for both of them.

Sorry to hear about the sleep issue. I hope the plan works. Well done for getting him to the dr.

What time do they go to bed currently longest?

Somewhere between 7:30 and 8:30 by the time they are actually down i guess. Closer to the former for dd2 (4) and closer to the latter for dd1 (8). They get up around 6:45/7 though have the opportunity to sleep longer. How about yours and how old are they again?

Mine are just turned 10 and nearly 6. In bed by 7.30pm weeknight is the law, nearly always done by 7:45 max. Younger goes to sleep fairly quickly in general, bigger one takes his time but doesn't get up. They have to be up by 6:20am, the bigger one is hard to get up. Currently younger one is a pest in that he "needs" an adult in the room when he falls asleep then gets up in the night to move to our bed. It wasn't so bad when that was so late that I didn't notice but these days it can be before I'm even in bed. Add to that insomnia with DH and perimeno 4am waker me it's a world of fun at our place

I suppose that's not so different given the slightly different wake up times. I actually aim for closer to 7 for dd2 but was trying to be honest with what time it realistically often is. Dd1 is less obviously knackered and if I do aim for earlier she generally makes more fuss and will reappear, but if she's getting jabbery and hyper then it's a cue she needs bed and she's shuffled off. She likes a bath but doesn't really wind down as such - she tends to start a hundred mile an hour commentary about the minutiae of harry potter and i have to fight to get a word in.

My eldest jabbers about Fortnite. he doesn't have the game, has never played the game, doesn't even go to anyone's home that has the game, won't be allowed to play it for a good 4 years or so. Doesn't stop him going on about it though

Longest pmsl at dh suggesting you do the recipe from the book, hahahaha

Cotton, 5 weeks is amazing

Nc4 haha at pig face menace too

Flossie, YANBU re funeral

I’ve been rubbish, not AF since Thursday. Had a terrible sleep last night due to wine, so need to improve. As always, fgs.

Longest - sending you a huge hug. Sounds like you really are in overload right now. So sorry dh cannot support you. You are amazing.

Leaving - glad to hear your test went well. Was it horrid?

Water - don’t beat yourself up xx

flossie yes cable threaded through nose into throat without sedation the Dr was directing me to the inside of my throat on the screen and I was a bit - dude I'm a bit busy trying not to die here.

Ugh leaving, poor you!! Glad it went ok. Have they given you anything for the soreness at least or do they just say you have to put up with it now they have ruled out anything sinister?

No there's no treatment. Apart from in comparison to the sore throat I had after it didn't seem so bad Anxiety reduction not to be under estimated though.

Evening all

leaving that sounds horrible but good you got the all clear.

longest men are just basically little boys when they are ill. Dh is anyway. I have had a bit of a bug last few days, carried on as normal. He says he had it last weekend. He didn't he had a hangover. But that's why he went to bed for the day 😂. I couldn't cope with him permanently poorly. Though when he has been genuinely ill in the past (perforated bowel and a heart attack) he's been pretty stoic.

BabyPony was an absolute bog monster this morning. Urgh. Need her clipping so I can rug up.

Not dry tonight. Am on the Peroni and very much enjoying it. Will have a couple of bottles though and call it a night. Hopefully 😂😂

Not dry..surprise surprise. Asked dh to collect wine on way home. My attempt at ‘I won’t buy any so there’s none here’ has failed due to a 13yr old daughter flouncing and declaring me as the woooooooorst mum evvvver

Similar here flossie. Sigh.

Ds being a twat. Dh pandering to him. Dd flouncing because I have told her it's bedtime because she spends 95% of her time in her room or out, unless I am sat wanting to chill out for half an hour and if she wants to witter on at me about her English assessment she should come and spend time with me before 7.30pm. Fuck sake.

Will catch up, but have just got home and want to register that the fuck it button is well and truly pressed. More in a bit.

Oh yes frouby....the wittering about assignments and then the huffing because you’re not listening intently while cooking dinner (to their liking), and washing their sports kit last min for the next morning etc etc. Sigh

Dion - hope you’re ok lovely.

Maybe we need swampy tonight to give us a hand

No idea what you're talking about, Flossie.

I give up with everything and everyone tonight. DD is in a monster strop, but I have no idea why. Frouby, you put it so well. My DD spends all evening on her phone in her room, then gets cross with me because I am not ready to talk through the latest in the Friendship Drama at 10PM, when she has had all fucking evening to talk to me. DP is ignoring me.

Leaving, the last time I had a camera down my throad, I had so much sedation that I can't remember it happening. You are a stronger woman than I am.

Longest, just hugs.