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Changing first name

312 replies

mollymollymoo · 12/09/2018 12:46

Hi
It's looking really likely that we've been matched with a little girl - very excited! However - her current name is so identifying and ridiculous that even our social worker has said they can work with us to change it.
She'll be nearly 2 when she comes home.

Does anyone have any experience of this, the practicalities etc?

This is our 2nd adoption and we would have been more than happy to keep her name otherwise.. but really it is awful and not fair on her to have to grow up with it!!

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brightsunshineatlast · 26/10/2018 22:55

italian I am pleased that you don't doubt my sincerity. In relation to recovering from past abuse and current thinking, it is different from the advice of the past, partly because the advice about not telling anyone etc had not come from research (it was coming from the social culture of the day), and secondly because the research today is being carried out by a number of psychiatrists and psychologists and much of it is going in the same direction, and there is new information available as "evidence" eg using scans of the brain. It is complicated and this very short summary is not doing it justice, but the information is out there. It is very relevant for adoption. I am only aware of it because one of my dc suffered from a trauma, and rather than accept the advice of the nursery that they had suddenly developed autism, I scoured the net for alternative solutions. The symptoms of autism and trauma can present in a similar way, but with one you are looking at a lifetime of special help, with the other you can recover so there is a huge difference. It is groundbreaking. Now there is more professional help available than before. But this does not lessen the impact of other aspects of adoption such as name changing, or at least, as far as I know that is the thinking and it makes perfect sense to me.

I understand that you find the idea that in the context of the above a child would not be able to recover from a name change to be bizarre, but actually if you look back you will find that quite a few of my posts are about how best to help a child come to terms with a name change. I think the huge chasm between you and I on the subject is that you have said a name doesn't define you,etc etc, and I think it is hard to help a child come to terms with a name change if you do not have an awareness of how serious it can be.

In terms of not accepting advice from professionals, I do think it is dangerous - ie this is not my feeling on the subject but my thinking! - I am not saying you have personally ignored advice, but any attitude that adopters know better is dangerous in my opinion, not because adopters are lesser parents but because most adopters have been given quite a task, given the background of the children, and more decent professional advice is available now than ever before. If you read my post on the legal aspects, you will see that it is in recent cases that the courts have commented on the seriousness of changing the first name.

I don't think I have been condescending, it is more that my passion for the subject probably makes me very boring on the subject, and I don't have much patience for people who cannot remain civil to people who disagree with them.

thomas re lacking social understanding, I didn't misunderstand your post, I was being sardonic. I think that it is bullying to make endless personal comments which turn into character assassinations, eg to accuse someone of not posting in good faith. Unfortunately, your posts appear quite ignorant of the life of adoptive families unfortunately, that is not the case. Try asking yourself why someone may not want to be sharing things on the internet and see if you can come up with some answers all on your own.

Italiangreyhound · 26/10/2018 23:40

brightsunshineatlast

I am parenting an adopted child and I have a child on the spectrum, so I think the feelings around names are over-exaggerated.

But yes, you are right, I cannot really relate to the idea of a name change causing irreversible damage and alcohol or drug damage and early life trauma being reversible.

I am always hoping for the best for my children but both have their issues and to some extent a blueprint which comes out in times of stress. I am always up for hearing more about how to make their lives better but since name changing is not an issue for me I don;t need any further evidence or whatever on that. Thanks

Italiangreyhound · 26/10/2018 23:41

I will continue to lurk. Smile

SolveigSleeps · 10/11/2018 09:42

My daughter is 2.5 and if you ask her who she is she will say her name. If I start telling her that she's a different name, she gets upset and says "no, me xyz". I don't think changing names it a good idea identity wise.

thomassmuggit · 10/11/2018 13:53

Is that a birth or adopted child? DD had no sense of identity at 2.5 due to developmental delay, due to neglect, and a carefully handled name adaptation was what was best for her. What you think is best for your child is not what's best for all children.

tldr · 14/11/2018 19:37

When things go wrong in adoptions, it is the social workers, the other professionals and the court which have to deal with the fallout and so their professional opinions about identity and potential long term psychological impact are relevant.

With this, any and all credibility vanished. I can’t decide whether I’m laughing at it or crying.

brightsunshineatlast · 14/11/2018 20:31

Another unhelpful comment to reply to on a thread which I don't want to be on. Credibility for what? Who are you to judge credibility? What credibility do you have?

What exactly there do you not agree with? How many adoptees (who I added to that list in a follow up post) are out there picking up pieces, do you think, tldr? When adoptions disrupt is it the adopter who picks up pieces? Have you called upon a psychologist for help? If not, why not? Or are you saying there is no help out there? Because if so, I could provide you with a link.

I stand by what I wrote.

dibly · 14/11/2018 22:39

Wow, this is a thread and a half. OP, we changed AD's name 4 years ago when she was 1. We felt it was the right thing to do given the circumstances - she needed to be placed out of area, her BF are prolific social media users, her name was distinctive, basically keeping the name carried risks. She knows her birth name now and prefers her adopted name, but I'm sure the future will throw up issues about it. However given that society trusts us with making untold amounts of judgements over the course of her life, what school, what diet, what GP, when and how to do life story work, what help to try and access - then we feel qualified to make decisions like this which are in her best interests.

Bright, help is out there, IF you can get past the gatekeeping authorities and access the minimal funding for support which used to be free - suggesting it's easy to access is just insulting. I suggest you try your hand at researching the countless adoptive families who have spent years trying to get help for their children before the disruptions happen, rather than provoke arguments with mean minded comments like the one you posted above.

tldr · 15/11/2018 00:02

I stand by what I wrote.
That’s nice. So do I.

Another unhelpful comment to reply to on a thread which I don't want to be on.
It’s a discussion/chat/parenting forum. I’m discussing/chatting/parenting. You do what’s right for you.

brightsunshineatlast · 15/11/2018 20:37

tldr in your chats in real life do you tell people they have no credibility? Doubt the chats would last very long if you did. It is a good rule of thumb to behave online as you would in real life.

dibly try your hand at researching the countless adoptive families who have spent years trying to get help for their children before the disruptions happen, rather than provoke arguments with mean minded comments like the one you posted above my comment wasn't mean minded, and you should try your hand reading the thread properly and if a poster asks to not have comments aimed at them again, respect that wish rather than provoke arguments with mean minded comments like you have just done. What a thread indeed! The posts aimed at me have been very unfair and I have had emails of support over it.

My "mean minded" comment was responding to posters saying that they didn't give credence to the opinions of social workers or psychologists because they were not the ones who were the parents - I was saying that I thought that was unwise, and explaining why their input was valid.

I am aware of how difficult it can be to get help through some avenues and in some areas, but equally sometimes the help which is available is ignored, or not understood, or the proper help not sought.

brightsunshineatlast · 15/11/2018 21:08

I have had some supportive PMs about this thread. From what I can gather, anyone who urges caution over name changes and supports the idea of direct contact and relationships with bio family is seen (by a small number of regular posters) as a member of the "forced adoption league".

I have been sent a link to the below resource in the well respected "child protection resource online" which I think it would be helpful for the relevant posters (and anyone finding the thread hard to follow) to read:
childprotectionresource.online/forced-adoption/

In this, the author says "we were concerned that a lot of justifiable criticism about the system was getting lost or taken over by those who wanted to believe the more extreme ‘conspiracy theories’ and to be honest I think this equally applies here. The comments I have made have been to do with real concerns about adoptees, concerns many people have, and yet they have been lost and ridiculed in this thread and not explored at all and apparently the reason is as above.

As well as useful analysis of the forced adoption concerns, there is a large section which looks at whether the UK model of adoption is meeting needs, and considers other approaches, and a reference to breakdowns being as high as 25%. As I said earlier, this is no time for complacency, not time to be removing checks and balances.

I would urge the nay sayers on this thread who are motivated by a fear that posters who support direct contact really have a secret clandestine agenda, to read the link to get some balance.

I have read it though not yet all the links it has within itself, there are many and they all look very interesting.

MagicKeysToAsda · 26/11/2018 00:20

in that link the "conspiracy theories" that were investigated and debunked were the idea that forced adoptions/adoption targets were taking place for some unspecified reason. It is in agreement with the consensus on this thread, that it's an imperfect child protection and care system, peopled by individuals who sometimes can make mistakes, but are doing their best.

Statistics about adoption breakdown rates are most recently available through the research conducted by (I think) Bristol University - someone will correct me if I'm mis-attributing that.

There is a scenario C to add to the A and B presented up-thread: where the risk of identification is so high, and so likely to have an adverse impact on the child having a normal childhood, the judge can include a comment in the placement order record suggesting the existing name carries a risk and the consequences should be explored. (That is personal direct experience, so it is anecdote, not data. Just to be clear.)

Beyond that, every patch of ground in this thread has been wearily covered so I won't add my footprints.

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