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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on adoption.

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I want my baby back - Panorama

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Hels20 · 13/01/2014 09:39

I hesitate to put this on the board but would be interested in the views of anyone who watches this - it's tonight on BBC 1 at 9pm.

I hope it gives a balanced account. Then there is the Channel 4 programme on Wednesday T 10pm on Finding a Mum and Dad.

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Kewcumber · 14/01/2014 17:19

presumably they were claiming the child had rickets rather than just VitD deficiency then Edam. Aren't bone breaks as a result of vit D deficiency alone very very rare? (I need to check that as its been a while since I read up on it)

Aren't there other signs of rickets?

It is very rare that breastfed white babies get rickets - though obviously it can't be impossible

nennypops · 14/01/2014 17:23

i don't recruit anyway. What you lot find hard to accept is that someone would help for no financial gain, through no website (I could if I wanted do that), no ulterior motive - except for trying to right some wrongs or prevent more wrongs being committed.

But why would people come to a web designer rather than someone with some degree of specialisation? And why do they thrust all their confidential documents at you? You know, the ones that you claim provide all that evidence that you've failed to produce despite numerous requests?

Kewcumber · 14/01/2014 17:27

Sorry ignore my interest in vit D deficiency its not really relevant - it would be interesting to know why no-one actually tested the vitamin D levels.

wizardpc · 14/01/2014 17:33

@nennypops - because i dont advertise that Im a web designer (or a rapist for that matter given that someone suggested that).

why would people entrust documents or info? It's very simple - did you not listen last night and hear the gentleman say that parents wrongfully accused will often be desperate and that even prison is no deterrent? Desperate people seek help or information.

As mentioned earlier I know of one case where children were taken from a hospital on an innocent visit - even when the doctors said there was no problem - on the insistence of a social worker. It resulted in assault. Fortunately it also led to the eventual sacking of a social worker. But children were still removed for a while.

Dont close your eyes - these things do go on.

SoonToBeSix · 14/01/2014 17:43

For the third time nanny yes I do, I have already said the child's needs are paramount I was simply replying to a SPECIFIC comment made by another poster about sympathy for parents.

nennypops · 14/01/2014 17:44

Sorry, wizard, that account of the hospital visit is impenetrable and means very little without more context. But, again, no-one on this thread has denied that social services make mistakes.

It seems to me that someone with no direct expertise or experience in child protection matters should, if people come to him for advice, tell them to get their own independent advice from a lawyer using legal aid, or refer them to the appropriate charity. What really perturbs me is that some people giving this advice subscribe to the idea that it is sensible to disappear abroad to avoid social services attention, and particularly that they seem to be interested only in the rights of the parents and not the best interests of the child.

The fact that you seriously put forward the view that an adopted child should automatically be returned to birth parents even after several years if there was something wrong with the adoption tells me that you really have no business getting involved at all.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 14/01/2014 17:48

You just said you didnt watch the programme, how are you talking about specific bits if you havent seen it??? Confused

And you said you have proof that children are "wrongfully stolen". None of us do, so it cant be in the public domain, hence the suggestion that you must have some sort of confidential documentation. Them telling you is not proof, I could tell you now that I'm the queen?

AnyFucker · 14/01/2014 17:56

I have a feeling, and it is only my opinion, that these shadowy "web designers" and "my mate the lawyer who gives free advice" (even though it can be found elsewhere through reputable professionals) people are actually Male Rights Activists of some description and really fucking scary individuals.

They hate the idea that female dominated professionals like social workers and their "sympathisers" are taking away what they feel should be the status quo. That is, men in charge of the family unit with no outside interference and no pesky examination of how that might be enforced.

Just a thought.

Spero · 14/01/2014 18:04

Surely not! And what's all this about Father Christmas?

wizardpc · 14/01/2014 18:06

who said I didnt watch the programme?

I don't offer advice - Im not qualified

I gave you 100% facts re a case - it's not open even to debate - Im not a male rights activist. I don't have any issues or problems - other than paying for my daughter's car insurance

wizardpc · 14/01/2014 18:07

@nennypops - you think Jill McCartan was wrong to go abroad?

nennypops · 14/01/2014 18:16

Where does that question come from, wizard? Like I keep saying, I know very little about Jill McCartan's case, why do you keep asking me to express opinions on it?

Which are the 100% facts re a case that you gave us, including the evidence for them?

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 14/01/2014 18:17

Sorry, I thought you did, but I misread it - you were quoting someone else

(For future reference, some sort of text editing, or perhaps quotation marks, might make it clearer what are your words and what is being taken from someone else :) )

What are the 100% facts? I must have missed them, could you just point me in the right direction?

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 14/01/2014 18:18

X post with nenny Grin

wizardpc · 14/01/2014 18:18

If you saw the programme I can assume you're intelligent enough to express an opinion. I could ask 100 people and get an opinion. I just wondered, having seen the programme - that she did the right thing to go abroad - yes or no? It's not a proposition from Wittgenstein.

AnyFucker · 14/01/2014 18:27

wizard, I don't believe you

wizardpc · 14/01/2014 18:29

what dont you believe?

Spero · 14/01/2014 18:30

O wizard there you are! you are not answering my question on the other thread. Perhaps you haven't seen it. Here it is again.

Ok. so WHY.

What is in it for the LA to 'pick on' certain groups of people?

What benefit is it to a LA to start care proceedings, spend money on assessments and expert reports etc and then be landed with massive bill for foster care.

What none of the conspiracists can ever explain is WHY ON EARTH ANYONE WOULD DO THIS.

Sorry for shouting, but its a question I have been asking since 2011 so I am getting a bit impatient for an answer.

nennypops · 14/01/2014 18:31

Unlike you, wizard, I don't feel I should express opinions how people I don't know should run their own and their family's lives on the basis of a short TV programme when I have not been given any information whatsoever about the other side of the picture. Maybe that's where you're going wrong?

AnyFucker · 14/01/2014 18:31

Pretty much eveything you have said, actually Smile

Spero · 14/01/2014 18:33

Wizard! come back! I have lost Edward, don't say I will lose you too.

Devora · 14/01/2014 18:34

Wizard, did you design Ian Joseph's' website? If not, do you think maybe you should?

nennypops · 14/01/2014 18:36

Another of those questions we don't seem to have had an answer to from wizard:

Which are the 100% facts re a case that you gave us, including the evidence for them?

wizardpc · 14/01/2014 18:36

ha ha no why? - is it rubbish? Never seen him

Sadoldbag · 14/01/2014 18:48

It won't be balanced it has John hemming on it I think god