Supreme Court ruling

[Flybee]

Presumably my university is not alone in having a transgender policy that states, amongst other Stonewall Speak, that transgender people may use any toilet of their choosing?

Presumably this policy will now have to change?

I've seen that the NHS and other public bodies will be issued with renewed guidance - will the same be done for universities?

Sorry, I’m not quite following your logic here. Would you explain further how this differs from transwomen?

What absolute nonsense. Where am I taking anything out on trans people, merely by making fun of your daft ideas that transmen in suits are gong to have us all needing smelling salts in the ladies’ loo? Are you at all in touch with reality?

“Yes, I do. If people recognised the humanity in others, as fellow humans, and were taught early that all people are equal, and that people are not defined only by their reproductive status, I don’t think there would be as much violence, no.”

Well you might be right or you might be wrong. It is such a lovely idea in any case.
I wonder though, how long do you think it would take to change the whole of societal structure? And what should we do in the meantime?

“Men see themselves as the default as they are taught this. So, why not work on undoing this, rather than the genders seeing each other as the enemy?”

Again, lovely sentiments. Who is it again that should work on this??

“Why take out your hurt and anger about misogyny on trans people? Scapegoating may make you feel good momentarily, but it doesn’t solve the underlying issue.”

Sorry you’ve lost me again. If you truly believe everything you just wrote including that misogyny exists, why would you think that women wanting safe spaces isn’t just about protecting ourselves from men? Why are you making this about trans people?

Recently saw a sticker in our university loos that said 'A trans person peed in here and nobody died'.

Amen

This obsession with toilets is mind boggling. There is literal genocide happening in the world, here at home 1 in 3 children live in poverty, disabled people are being thrown to the wolves, people are pulling out their own teeth, there are more food banks than McDonald's. Every year 800,000 women are raped in this country by CIS MEN.

For the love of God stop obsessing about toilets, do you spend more than 5 minutes a day in your university toilets? Have you ever actually seen a trans woman in your university toilets? Did they attack you or flash you or do anything other than pee and leave?

There are some serious issues to be resolved yes but our sector is in existential crisis, can we focus on that and not imaginary threats in the toilets

So as a response to the clarification of the equality act which says that certain spaces (including toilets) should be segregated on the basis of sex, in order to provide safety and dignity for biological women ; and then a further poster explaining that some groups of women such as Muslim women would require such a space; your solution is to build more disabled toilets to accommodate both disabled people and Muslim women??

That is incredibly convoluted thinking and totally impractical (on the basis of numbers alone). It is also just barging a load of other groups with protected characteristics out of the way.

Just increase the provision by having a unisex space as well as male and female toilets and leave disabled accommodation (which is quite different and specialised) for disabled people.

I know lots of trans people, I work at a university 😆 I don’t give a fig if trans men come into the ladies’ loo! They’re women. There aren’t that many of them about, even at universities; and there are very very few who have medically transitioned to the point of having “bottom surgery”. They are also all very feminine! There are really not many trans men who actually look convincingly masculine in real life.

In any case, I don’t care what they look like in the first place. Why would I be scared of trans men?

You really don’t seem to understand this debate at all. You must be very young (and probably American)?

If your mind is boggled its because you have not understood this debate at all. It isnt just about toilets . Its about hospital wards, rape crisis support and intimate care. Its about women being bullied, suspended or sacked for questioning whether they should have to get changed in front of a man who identifies as a woman, or for wanting to tell the truth to female rape victims who want counselling from a woman.

Oh and where are these women’s festivals of which you speak @ThisJadeFinch ?

None have existed since MichFest got shut down years ago (and shut down by the transwoman who went on brutally to murder two lesbian women and their son - please do Google Dana Rivers for more information on this).

In any case, if there were to be such a thing as a women’s festival, transmen would be very welcome! Being as they are women!

It’s not just about toilets though is it? It’s about health care, rape crisis centres, prisons etc.

it’s about the fact that you can’t just identify as a woman and gain access to female spaces.

This thread isn’t about toilets (or that wasn’t my understanding of it anyway).

It is about the implications of a clarification of the law on our sector.

Many policies will need to be changed.

One such policy for the University sector is around use of toilets.

I understand the broader issues that's why I said there are serious issues to be resolved.

The OP asked about toilets. The whole thread is about toilets. So yes, mind boggled that people have nothing more serious to care about. In the university staff forum no less.

@dreamingbohemian Do you mean these kinds of imaginary threats?

https://www.scotsman.com/regions/edinburgh-fife-and-lothians/female-spaces-need-better-protection-after-trans-woman-sex-assault-on-girl-say-campaigners-140883

I have a small daughter. Do you think she feels safe in unisex loos with adult men in there?

Seriously?

Go back and read the OP

I'll join in the 'mob'. You quite clearly haven't read the judgment. Nobody that has can fail to see the clarity provided.

Politely challenging other posters’ daft nonsense on a public debating site is not “mobbing”. This isn’t Reddit or 4Chan; nobody is swearing or being derogatory towards you. We’re engaging with the arguments you’ve chosen to post.