thhis is just a step too far IMO

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i was in the newsagents this morning with dd2 and she couldnt stop staring at these awful pictures

i dotn know who is to blame -jade for lettingthe press into her private life or the press

whatever/ whoever it should be left alone

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"SOMEONE is thinking: How do we make this look as good as possible to get it as many tabloids as possible.

Jade herself might not be thinking of that at that moment but it is being thought of."

and on that point you are bang on.although i do believe that jade is thinking that herself. and if she is not it's because she has paid someone to think about those matters for her.either way i do believe she desires the end result, i.e. be in as many papers as possible.

I cant beleive how many people are so cynical . . . .is this how we are as a nation now ???

Why does everyone think its all been set up by Someone ?? Paparazzi camp outside hospitals when celebs have babies etc all the time.

they are looking for THE photo and will select (from many) the pictures which show it all, her in pain, her rings etc.

I ABSOLUTELY do NOT think she wants to photographed in that state - however she knows the paparazzi are outside the hospital, so she will smile at them (as best she can)Everone wants their dignity dont they ?

Its fact she wants to sell magazines to make money for the children. I expect there will be a christening issue of OK. She wants to leave money for her childrens future, i would do the same.

My point has always been, knowing the suffering and undignified illness that is cancer - i dont think she is looking for a photo opportunity, when she is trying to get her pain under control.

I was upset by the comments that people couldnt understand why she was making an effort with her appearance. Why shouldnt she ?

Unless you have personally experienced someone suffering from cancer, i dont think anyone can comment.

Lydle3 - With the best will in the world, Jade has been pretty vocal that this is exactly what she wants / is doing.

I think she and those she chose to employ knew exactly what would happen.

FWIW, I had my DS in a celebrity hospital and there were a few famous people there... yes, I suppose there were a few paps outside, but it was EXTREMELY easy to get in and out of the hospital (was just about to write hotel there ) without being spotted.

In fact, there is a drive in entrance so anyone coming or going to the hospital can go in or out without being spotted.

Anyone who gets 'papped' at The Portland (that's the hospital I'm talking about) does it knowing full well it's happening.

If you don't want any publicity, it's totally possible to avoid.

I KNOW this for a fact.

"My point has always been, knowing the suffering and undignified illness that is cancer - i dont think she is looking for a photo opportunity, when she is trying to get her pain under control."

and my point would be that i absolutely do believe she is looking for the photo opportunity and i will continue to do so until i see any evidence to the contrary.

"I was upset by the comments that people couldnt understand why she was making an effort with her appearance. Why shouldnt she ?"
i'd agree with you there, she's entitled to do what she likes.

"Unless you have personally experienced someone suffering from cancer, i dont think anyone can comment."

i wouldn't agree with you there however even though my mother suffered from cancer. if you are going to limit who can comment on certain issues based on having personal experience then you are seriously curtailing the scope of opinion you will receive on any issue not just this.

Well it seems even Max Clifford has had enough.

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But Jade hasn't.

And I do agree with mq in terms of Max Clifford. While I don't necessarily think the man is a paragon of virtue and integrity, I do think that he is very open about what he does, and that those who hire him do so in the absolute knowledge that they are hiring someone with the capasity to gain as much publicity for them as is neceesary. Or as little publicity if necessary - a lot of what MC does now is actually keeping people out of the media. So I absolutely agree that Jade knew and still knows exactly what she is doing. She has cervical/bowel cancer which hasn't affected her mental capasity afaik.

As for looking good, I do agree that she should do what she wants, but I also do think that it depends. Is she looking good for herself? in which case more power to her and whatever makes her happy, or for the media/photographers? In which case I would question that.

mayorquimby, you misunderstand me, i dont mean cant comment at all - i mean of the cancer part of her illness.

Not on the fact she is in the press, whos in charge, whether she wants to be, anyone can have an opinion on this - in fact on anything.

I am saying, unless you have had direct contact with a cancer sufferer, dont judge what they are doing with their appearance, their treatment etc. Thats all. I have had to make difficult decisions over the years for my daughter, which if you had asked me before her illness, i would never have thought i would agree.

Isnt that with a lot of subjects - how could you truly know what you would do unless you are put in the situation.

We can agree to disagree, you believe she is willing for the photos, i think she has no choice, they are camped outside.

Having been to the Royal Marsden in December, i can see how they would be able to get very clear pictures.

Im not comparing hospitals where celebs have babies, to the Royal Marsden, just saying that if there is a hot story to report then the paprazzi will be there. Wherever it is, even someones house.

however cruel it may be as well. Like seeing pictures or David Cameron and wife the day they lost their son. Its a story, so they take pics.

I hope this makes sense, i dont seem to be getting my point across clearly.

I think the paps were almost certainly tipped off by Jade or someone working for her and money probably changed hands. She has been very clear that she will make as much money as she can for her boys before she dies.

Celebrities frequently tell paparazzi where they will be in exchange for money thats how it works...im not saying thats how it always is but does happen. Particularly in the case of a minor celeb like Jade.

She would be the first person to admit she is not well educated so she probably hasnt thought about how taking it this far will psychologically affect her children.

lydle3 she could prevent pictures though. She might not be able to prevent the photographers from camping outside her house, but she could cover up if she didn't want to be photographed, and has apparently been offered the chance to do so but has declined.

And i agree that the taking of the picture of David Cameron and his wife was in bad taste, but again, if you read the press, his press office were contacted about it and approved the picture.

It would have been easy enough to get someone to walk next to Jade to obscure the picture which is why I think it was deliberate.

I agree on the Camerons, totally wrong but I guess if they agreed it then its not up to us to get upset about it...I dont really see why you need to see that picture though.

I can't believe anyone really thinks this is comforting in any way to other cancer patients who may be using every grain of will power left to keep going and have some sort of hope for recovery when every day the front pages are showing all teh graphic details of someone in the last stages of this awful illness.

Comforting would be a very strange choice of words, very sad and it is educating people, the amount of women going for smears has gone up.

I have had to have some interesting "not everyone who has cancer dies" conversations with my son as one of his friends had cancer and a girl he was at playgoup with had leukemia.

I also no longer subscribe to the "making as much money as possible for her boys" argument.

Thousands of people die of cancer every year, and the majority of them don't have the ability to sell their souls in order to ensure that their loved ones are cared for when they're gone. That is what life insurance is for after all. Jade made millions before she became ill. Presumably someone with that much money would have had some sort of financial advice, and that advice would have involved being told to take out life insurance? It's not as if they're destitute, and they will be going to live with their father who by all accounts is able to adequately provide for them. They're not being orphaned.

Max clifford said somewhere that people were taking comfort from her bravery.I also think its a strange way to look at it.The whole thing is a bit of a mess really it has gone too far and as someone else said very hard to stop at this stage.

The photos are going to be taken with or without her consent so she may as well make some money out of it. She probably does have life insurance but they say she has paid the boys school fees up to 16 - if thats true then that is a LOT of money.

I think she looks amazingly well for someone at her stage of cancer. My mum died of cancer and she looked bloody dreadful for weeks before she died - still have nightmares about the change in her.

tmmj but while I can see that she might take comfort from messages of support, it is clear that a lot of people feel everything but supportive. There have even been hate groups set up on facebook for instance, so one can only imagine that as well as messages of support she might have received some fairly horrible messages as well..?

aree, Wannabe - I saw a site today called WHENISJADEGOODYGOINGTODIE.COM and you could predict the time and date of her death...

with the 'winners' wining prizes.

I do think that some has the time (and energy) to create that is a bit horrible.

You have to wonder about the mentality of someone who would take the time to set up a hate campaign for a terminally ill mother really...what a shame they cant channel that energy into something more constructive.

Ive always felt a bit "pah" about Jade - just why exactly was she a celebrity?

But then having given that more thought recently ive come to the decision you could say "why?" about the majority of the young "presenters" on TV these days..they pretty much seem to be an attractive but dumb bunch incapable of doing much but shout excitedly, in which case shes as valid a celebrity as anyone I guess.

Anyway it feels a bit morbid to keep discussing it so im off!

tbh I think you have to wonder about the mentality of anyone who puts their energy into the hate of anyone famous.

I remember reading somewhere that an actor in eastenders who had played a violent husband received death threats, even though he was only an actor. It's weird in the extreme.

This is really awful - car crash journalism at it's worst.
Does she have her make up artist do her make up before she leaves the house?

why on earth do we need to have a blow by blow account of her misery

Why not?

because it's what she wants and apparently it's what people want to read.otherwise the papers wouldn't do it.

Having seen the magazine (I didn't bother reading the name once I saw the front page) with a photo of her little boy crying...I mean really, at what point is this going to stop. Will the photos of her two little boys breaking their hearts at the coffin go for much?

Fair enough, tart out your own death to whoever will pay but that was sick. Saw an advert on tv for it.

How nice.

Beginning to be glad that mayorquimby decided to tell it how it really is now.

I agree. Even the Royal family (and ALL press) had the respect and good nature to keep any pictuers of William and Harry breaking down at the funeral of Diana out of the press.

And to be fair, they've never really been publicised, even though everyone knows they exist.

Somethings just aren't meant to be private property.

No needs money that badly. No one.