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Female celebs we don't "get", part 2. Dita von Teese...

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TheSmallClanger · 01/12/2008 21:41

Following on from the Agyness Deyn thread, I'd like to know what other people think about Dita von Teese. I keep seeing pictures of her everywhere, and whenever I look closer, it seems like there's something wrong or missing with the picture. Has anyone else noticed anything strange about her that I could be picking up on?

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JulesJules · 01/12/2008 23:14

And terrible initials. She obv has been nowhere near the baby naming threads.

RamblingRosa · 02/12/2008 09:29

I'm with Glasjam and Wotsthatskippy. I don't get it at all. I think she's a perfectly attractive woman and I'm all for a bit of old skool glamour but I find all this stripping as art/empowerment malarky a bit icky.

She's been clever to exploit a niche market but I don't see how she's different to any other fake-titted, over made up, stripper apart from the fact that she's got a black dye job (rather than the ubiquitous blonde stripper look) and she makes herself up to look like a 40s pin up/stripper rather than a modern one.

fionaann · 02/12/2008 09:55

Totally agree with glasjam - she is a stripper with a glorified name. Just like calling a prostitute a call girl.

donnie · 02/12/2008 13:57

what is burlesque? is it a job? what exactly does dvt do for a living?

RamblingRosa · 02/12/2008 14:42

She strips. And jiggles her nipple tassles in an alluring manner while sitting in a giant martini glass. And she gets paid a lot of money for doing so (I assume).

akhems · 02/12/2008 14:47

I saw a picture of her from her school yearbook a while back and she was a pretty girl but not outstanding and barely recognisable. I think she's done really well for herself.

pigleto · 02/12/2008 14:53

I like her clothes. There is no way I would wear a corset though.

I don't have an issue with her being a stripper. Its only acting.

CharleeInPantoPaperChains · 02/12/2008 14:58

I met her and Marylin Manson when they were married she is very friendly and shockingly thin (due to the years of corset wearing) she can fit a standard sized tennis racket round her waist!

snigger · 02/12/2008 15:03

I can't help it, I see her and think 'Morticia Addams'.

Snaf · 02/12/2008 15:29

Good post glasjam. Nope, don't get it either. Am also all for a bit of old-school glam but... nipple tassles?

And as for female empowerment... meh. That old chestnut? Why, these days, does 'empowerment' always seem to equal uncomfortable shoes?

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TheSmallClanger · 02/12/2008 22:10

Snaf, I completely agree about the shoes! And what is so empowering about underwear? I'm not saying that lingerie is disempowering, it's just neither here nor there in terms of empowerment.

I'm still no closer to finding "what's wrong with the picture", but I feel a bit more vindicated in being irritated by Dita now!

I have another question - her look is often described as 1940s, but women in the 40s did not wear corsets - they wore girdles. None of the fab old photos my mum has of my female relatives in the 30s and 40s features nipple tassels, fetish shoes or corseted dresses. They all wear coats and hats, and mid-length skirts.

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fionaann · 02/12/2008 22:53

Do you ever feel that, as all things are cyclical, feminism is on the way out to be replaced by total female subjugation? It's really depressing that so many girls think the only way to get ahead is to show off their tits and shake their booty. If you ever watch music channels you see young females wearing hardly anything, gyrating beside guys who are fully dressed and who look like their pimps. Young girls are afraid to say they are feminist and worried that if they say they don't approve of such videos or lapdancing etc that they're a "dyke", uptight or just not attractive. I know that people like DVT, Jordan and even Jodie Marsh have a good head on their shoulders but it's just really depressing.

FuriousGeorge · 02/12/2008 23:01

I'd love to look like her,instead of skinny with a flat chest.

fionaann · 02/12/2008 23:06

But if you did look like her would you choose a similar "career"?

RamblingRosa · 03/12/2008 10:44

Hear, hear Fionaann! Couldn't agree more. It's really depressing, isn't it?

You could look like her FuriousGeorge if you did what she did and donned a corset and paid for fake tits .

I think what annoys me about DVT is that she's presented as being somehow more 'arty' or intelligent than your average stripper and I'm sure it's just because she's created an unusual and old-fashioned persona, rather than the ubiquitous fake tanned, blonde, collagen lipped stripper. So she's pale and she wears a corset and dyes her hair black...so what? She's still a stripper with fake tits and nipple tassles .

I agree that the whole corset thing isn't very 1940s. I think she's just cherry-picked a few sexy looks from different eras and put it all together. Her outerwear is usually quite a 40s look (very Dior) but the whole corset thing doesn't fit with the 40s (which was all pointy bras and panty-girdles...not so sexy!)

meglet · 03/12/2008 11:16

she has rather good fakes. teardrop shape (instead of grapefruits) and possibly went in through the armpit or belly button. I read that Sharon Osbourne said they were the best she'd seen, and sharon osbourne must know a bit about fake boobs

cheesesarnie · 03/12/2008 11:17

i think shes beutiful.

bandgeek · 03/12/2008 11:23

I think she is beautiful too, I love that whole look

snowleopard · 03/12/2008 11:26

No never got her either. I can't really grasp what burlesque is and I think that might be because it's just stripping with a load of pseudo-arty flim-flam around it, but I genuinely don't know. If she had something empowering to say, then maybe I'd feel differently.

cheeseandsproutssarnie · 03/12/2008 11:35

snow-have you ever been to a burlesque show?
im so not into strippers etc but went to a jazz club and in break of band they had a burlesque act come on.it was amazing!sexy,glamourous(sp?),elegant.it wasnt 'stripping'(well it was but wasnt-confused!).

Snaf · 03/12/2008 11:40

It is stripping.

It's stripping with a certain amount of humour and panache (if done right)... but it's still basically just women getting their kit off in front of a paying audience.

I just can't be persuaded by this 'post-feminist empowerment' flapdoodle. Not at all. I guess I am just an old fogey with a body no-one would pay to look at (I believe that's the logical extension of the argument, isn't it?)

snowleopard · 03/12/2008 11:40

No - if I had I might know what it was!

I am interested because I do think there are forms of being naked that aren't exploitative or icky - in some films, in some art, it isn't IMO - so I'd like to see where and how burlesque falls in relation to that line.

snowleopard · 03/12/2008 11:42

Yes I agree that "stripping is empowering because I want to do it" stuff - hmmm not so sure. So I can't decide if burlesque is actually an art form or whatever, or just another form of the flapdoodle.

cheeseandsproutssarnie · 03/12/2008 11:43

i know it is but what i mean is...umm..

im a prude.complete prude.and it was beutiful.it wasnt seedy etc.i dont know how to describe.but yes it is stripping for the prude

snowleopard · 03/12/2008 11:44

Did she actually end up starkers?

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