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Crisis What Crisis? Will the Fridges of Doom Prove Your Friend Right? Continuation thread (4)

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 14:11

Twas the night before the US Midterms...

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.
This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendation are, here is the newest campaign blurb
https://beready.campaign.gov.uk/

Not going to do a status report this time, mainly because it's all about What Trump Does Next right now.

Previous threads
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5585259-crisis-what-crisis-is-my-friend-over-doing-the-stockpiling-and-am-i-too-continuation-thread-2?page=1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5591677-crisis-what-crisis-the-one-you-start-to-wish-youd-stockpiled-like-your-crazy-friend-continuation-thread-3?page=1

Are you emergency ready ?

Find out how to be ready for an emergency in your area. Being ready for 3 days helps you manage while support reaches those in need. See what simple steps you can take at GOV.UK/BeReady

https://beready.campaign.gov.uk

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Munchyseeds2 · Today 08:10

I would reheat the water in a hot water bottle rather than using fresh.

GentleSheep · Today 08:15

I finally managed to track down a Sawyer squeeze filtration system to add to my lifestraw, so I can filter larger amounts of water. It's crazy, it had sold out all over the place and I didn't want to risk getting one from Amazon as might not be genuine (certainly the product number on the blurb wasn't).

Also like the look of the Wayfarer system (does filter out viruses as well as the other crap in water), seems well-designed. Or you could get an Itehil mini that does need some power to run, could use solar.

Really depends what you want your water filter to do, whether you might end up traveling with it, or maybe you need something small and easily portable. Plus you still need water purification tablets.

Holeymoley28 · Today 09:14

Munchyseeds2 · Today 08:10

I would reheat the water in a hot water bottle rather than using fresh.

That’s my plan as well. Saves water.

Roseshavethorns · Today 09:25

I have carried out a couple of real life experiments (not exactly voluntarily)

Having recently had a broken fridge freezer I can confirm that food does stay frozen for more than 3 days. (I also discovered that easy scoop ice cream remains solid out of the freezer for days-yuk- won't be buying that again). Fridges however don't seem to remain cool for very long (an hour?). I have a couple of cooler dark areas and stored some chilled stuff there. Nothing spoiled. It's one more useful contingency plan for me that I probably wouldn't have considered.

I am also having my boiler replaced. I have no heating for 2 - 3 days. It's amazing how quickly a house cools down but if you have another heat source make sure you run it before the house gets cold. It's much easier to maintain heat rather than heat a cold house.

I have also invested in a few usb charged lamps. I have them fully charged beside each bed so if I wake up and the power is gone there shouldn't be any initial stumbling around in the dark. This will be more useful for guests obviously.

Has anybody else noticed that some people are just blindly "stocking up" without actually considering their own circumstances? I was chatting to a couple of people who were proudly talking about buying huge water containers but when I (genuinely) asked how they would manage to refill them and get them back to their homes, in case it would work for me, they just looked at me as if I had 2 heads. So they had basically bought something that they could only use once.

passtheMSGdon · Today 09:35

Water is heavy. If you had to walk to a local bowser and walk home again a 25L (in one awkwardly shaped container) is too heavy.

Badvocthebad · Today 09:43

Water purification tablets have arrived.
Ordered a collapsible 20l Water container (I'm thinking more for filling up beforehand?)
I bought a couple more things for stocks yesterday - tins and wipes.

Clearingthedecks · Today 09:44

My new little radio is great! Can't remember the last time I listened to the shipping forecast and Farming Today on one, rather than on BBC Sounds, very nostalgic!
Kept forgetting though that I couldn't pause it and rewind the programme to listen to parts again.😏

Natsku · Today 09:52

passtheMSGdon · Today 09:35

Water is heavy. If you had to walk to a local bowser and walk home again a 25L (in one awkwardly shaped container) is too heavy.

Wheelbarrow would help

GarlicNothing · Today 09:53

Adding this thread to my stockpile ...

Daffodilsearch · Today 10:18

passtheMSGdon · Today 09:35

Water is heavy. If you had to walk to a local bowser and walk home again a 25L (in one awkwardly shaped container) is too heavy.

We had to use water browsers in 2007. No water available for 24 hours. Then 4x2l bottles, you couldn't have more for elderly family and soon went. Water bottles slowly increased onto collection points, but browsers weren't available until week two. I used our empty water bottles. If using a cat, you'd certainly need containers that are sealed.

Purple444 · Today 11:09

Thank you for the thread. Have been reading through this and previous one .

Feel I have enough food, water, cash and lighting so far. The one thing I don't have is a camping stove. I havent been camping for years so not familiar with them. I have read about the risk of large pans on some stoves. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thank you 😊

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SillyAmberAnt · Today 11:30

Does anyone have recommendations for books, e.g. useful skills or general prepping? Most I can find are very US specific and not too useful here. Thanks.

RedToothBrush · Today 11:34

ProudPearl · Today 06:50

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx240mrm3g8vo

US strikes on Iran apparently. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will be able to explain how serious this is as I'm not sure, but it seems worrying.

I was reading about this last night. It sounds more complex than this. These strikes have been ongoing for the last couple of weeks - it's just not be publicised by either side. This fits with what I have been reading from military observers online.

So we are looking for an escalation rather than simply new attacks.

Another curious bit of information. The next round of talks with the US between Ukraine and Russia are due on 11th November. In Dubai. So there's been some speculation that the USs time frame may be longer than anticipated. Or this date was set to foil the Iranians.

Either way both pieces of information are rather contrary to what's being otherwise signalled and in the press.

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colouringindoors · Today 11:35

Malariahilaria · Today 06:47

Joining in if I may. Had put water purification tablets in my Amazon basket weeks ago then decided I was being daft. Decided to buy them this morning and those ones were sold out! I've found some others now but wondering if I should spaff £20 on a life straw or if that's silly. The only water source near me is the Thames and that is quite grim.

I bought something similar, figured clean water is a basic need... you can use bleach to treat water - quantities on previous thread

Troubledwords · Today 11:45

Munchyseeds2 · Today 08:10

I would reheat the water in a hot water bottle rather than using fresh.

As would I, but I meant to make sure that you've got enough drinking water, and the hot water bottle water isn't coming from that stash. So you've got the extra 1l or however much the hot water bottle takes. It's not much extra, but if you've got 4 people using 1l each for hot water bottles, then that's an extra 4 litres you need to store.

GentleSheep · Today 12:03

colouringindoors · Today 11:35

I bought something similar, figured clean water is a basic need... you can use bleach to treat water - quantities on previous thread

Bleach won't sort out any chemicals in the water, though, which is why river water is deprecated as a source to use, because of all the streams that flow into it carrying who knows what.

ringsnthings · Today 12:08

I've been trying to buy what extra bits I can over the past couple of months and stashing it away.

I've finally bought a Kelly Kettle! My thinking is that I can at least heat water quickly, especially for hot water bottles. I'm always freezing..I have an auto-immune condition and the thought of no heating is making me anxious. The bonus of heating soup and the like without using precious (bloody expensive) gas needed for the camping stove will be a big bonus.

MarjorieWestriding · Today 12:16

SillyAmberAnt · Today 11:30

Does anyone have recommendations for books, e.g. useful skills or general prepping? Most I can find are very US specific and not too useful here. Thanks.

Me and DH have spent many years gathering skills and experimenting with various methods, so here are a few recommendations. We did it out of curiosity about forgotten skills and an urge to just try things out and see what happens. A hobby of sorts.

For food preservation there's a fascinating book, 'Preserving food without freezing or canning' which has recipes using such methods as using salt, oil, drying and lactic fermentation. The recipes all come from rural France.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Preserving-Food-without-Freezing-Canning/dp/1933392592

'The art of fermentation' by Sandor Katz is interesting.

There is a useful RHS book on growing fruit and vegetables, 'Allotment month by month' which is very straightforward. They've also published a good book on herbs, what they do and how to use them.

'Building your own earth oven' gives guides on just that. Yes, we built one, it's brilliant and heats up to about 500C and cooks pizza in 1.5 minutes, after which you can cook in it for many hours as it cools.
www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL

First-aid books are worth looking at too and there are many to choose from printed in the UK. 'Acupressure Techniques' by Julian Kenyon has some useful techniques and I've tried many over the years. Don't how it works but it does. In extremis, 'Where there is no doctor' and 'Where there is no dentist' are handy. We've both had a few adventures over the years and have been patching each other up for 40 years, with no ill effect. If you're out in the sticks, it's useful to know what to do when push comes to shove.

Finally, work on your head state so you don't lose the plot if/when the shit hits the fan. This could be learning to meditate and ground yourself, to yoga or whatever suits you best.

MarjorieWestriding · Today 12:19

GentleSheep · Today 12:03

Bleach won't sort out any chemicals in the water, though, which is why river water is deprecated as a source to use, because of all the streams that flow into it carrying who knows what.

It's the sewerage being dumped in the rivers that bothers me. Our supplier, Thames Water, has a bad reputation for this and you can see from looking at the local river that it's the wrong colour, sometimes the wrong smell too.

GentleSheep · Today 12:31

MarjorieWestriding · Today 12:19

It's the sewerage being dumped in the rivers that bothers me. Our supplier, Thames Water, has a bad reputation for this and you can see from looking at the local river that it's the wrong colour, sometimes the wrong smell too.

Geee that sounds horrendous!

MarjorieWestriding · Today 12:39

GentleSheep · Today 12:31

Geee that sounds horrendous!

It is. Here's a handy map: https://www.sewagemap.co.uk

It's actually looking unusually good at the moment.

Sewage Map Overview

Sewage Map

Real-Time Sewage Discharge Monitoring | Sewage Map - Stay Updated on Sewage Pollution

https://www.sewagemap.co.uk

Anonymousemouses · Today 12:41

The bomb threats on four planes in the last day, is that likely just a malicious crackpot, or could it have more alarming origins?

It all seems like psychological warfare right now.

GentleSheep · Today 12:59

MarjorieWestriding · Today 12:39

It is. Here's a handy map: https://www.sewagemap.co.uk

It's actually looking unusually good at the moment.

I am speechless....!!