Would you vote to Rejoin the EU if there was another referendum? - Part 2

[EEexpat]

Advantages and disadvantages?

Money isn't everything, though. What about quality of life? Which will never be improved by mass immigration.

Of course the EU would not be obliged to accept.

As to your point about MPs thinking that referendums can be ignored, what's your evidence for that? As far as I'm aware, our MPs implemented the result of the referendum despite the majority of them having disagreed with it, so this doesn't really support your point?

And there has been no suggestion from the government that we are going to rejoin the EU this side of a general election either. Burnham has merely indicated that he thinks we need to re-open the conversation.

While I voted remain I far prefer the current situation because it makes people say hilariously supercilious stuff like they are more aware than an invertebrate. Just knowing how much it gets up the nose of people like that makes me smile.

But after a general election you get another vote further down the line and can demonstrate how you now feel.

No I wouldn’t. The French have been playing us for fools since Brexit. Just imagine how much worse it will be if we rejoin. If anything, we need to distance ourselves from them even more.

Plus, I'm just looking at the scenes from France 😱

Source? Examples?

Will closer ties with EU result in more freedom of movement for young Europeans, which sounds great, a big yay for the younger generation. This will just result in more Eastern Europeans coming to the UK and further worsening the job market for UK youngsters.

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack

As to your point about MPs thinking that referendums can be ignored, what's your evidence for that?

The evidence is what happened between the June 2017 and December 2019 general elections. Extensions and the Benn Act were attempts to thwart both the parliamentary vote held 29 March 2017 and the 23 June 2016 referendum.

Likewise Labour switched from their 2017 manifesto in which they supported the referendum to a second referendum with option to leave if they won in 2019.

Yes definitely.

And yet MPs voted, against their better judgement, to trigger article 50.

For me no,

@StarlightLady

But after a general election you get another vote further down the line and can demonstrate how you now feel.

A UK general election does not involve 27 other countries as would be the case if UK applied to rejoin the EU. Remember an application to join has to be approved by each member of the EU.

Also, I think it would make the EU look silly if they allowed countries to drift in and out depending on which party is in government.

Probably not. I voted to stay, but the cost it would be rejoining, and needing to use the Euro would put me off.

Another referendum, would that be needed? Anyway if talks were to open on rejoining and IF the EU is amenable, I reckon it will take at least 5 years of negotiations and possibly nearer 10 to iron out all the issues related to going back in. There is also the need (I think.... ) for all EU countries to agree, so there might be a veto there somewhere anyway. And of course the one certainty is having to adopt the Euro.

EEA membership is probably the best bet. Like Norway and Switzerland, but not sure if that would be accepted as a compromise. Maybe all or nothing!

That is a requirement yes but we can’t really keep voting to go in and out of the EU every decade or so.

Also, I doubt the EU is going to make it look easy for countries to leave and rejoin without major hassle. So as to discourage les autres!

NO way.

Why not, in your view?

I think we should decide firstly if we want to enter into talks about re-joining. If so, then a second vote on the terms once agreed.

I'd be happy with a customs union, or the same arrangement as Norway.

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack

And yet MPs voted, against their better judgement, to trigger article 50.

The vote on 29 March 2017 was:

498 to trigger article 50
114 not to trigger article 50

So, not all MPs voted to leave the EU as per their entitlement in accordance with the 2015 EU referendum act.

Remember that UK joined the EU in 1973 without a referendum beforehand. So, it’s down to parliament as to whether the UK joins or leaves the EU? Referendums are not binding as was reinforced by the Gina Miller case.

So you would rather be out of the EU to annoy people. Sounds like it's getting disproportionately up your nose.

Are you suggesting that all 498 MPs who voted to trigger article 50 did so because they wanted the UK to leave the EU, and that none of them voted to trigger it simply because of the referendum result?

I voted leave
I would still vote leave

the eu now is not the EU we left
if Le Pen gets in next year she has already said she would veto the uk unless we had a referendum

it’s clear that the deal we had before we won’t get now

so that’s paying in a lot more
signing to agree to accept the Euro (. Even if we never do we still have to agree to it )

open borders - seeing as immigration was one of the main reasons why we left cant
see anyone being happy with that

surprising to see here on mumsnet a lot of NO
stay out
thought it would be much more pro rejoin

No. I wasn't for it but I can't see any good coming from it.