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Crisis What Crisis? Is my friend over doing the stockpiling and am I too? Continuation thread (2)

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2026 22:25

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

I'm moving it over to chat from AIBU as it makes a bit more sense to be there at this point.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.

This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

We are however going through a period where various governments throughout Europe think there is an elevated risk of some kind of problem due to global instability and we should start to get our heads around the possibility of needing to be ready for anything.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

So this is for everything from tips and considerations about what might be a good idea to do /save minimise potential risks to just straight old political bollocks talk about how things are developing.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendations are:
https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

This does actually explicitly say to write a personalised plan for your household which everyone knows and understands and to talk about the issues you may face to help you be able mobilise for any situation which might arise. Which is exactly what this thread is ultimately for.

Get prepared for emergencies - Prepare

How to get informed and put a plan in place to prepare if an emergency comes to you in your area.

https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies

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PumpkinSeasonIsHere · 15/10/2026 12:16

Natsku · 15/10/2026 04:07

Flu jab is a very wise idea. I usually get one as I have asthma but they aren't doing them here yet, they usually do them in November so they're most effective at the peak of flu season. Hoping my company offers them to everyone like they did last year as that's an extra level of protection.

I believe that the WHO changed their recommendation for the flu jab this year (ie which variant they felt would be most prevalent) so in some (all?) places they are still busy manufacturing them.

I looked into it because I was wondering why I hadn’t got my letter from the GP yet!

DorothyParker111 · 15/10/2026 12:20

From the Times on the fragility of our electricity grid:
"The facts are these. In the past fortnight there have been four, maybe five, highly unusual events in the control room of Britain’s electricity grid: major forecasting errors, formal calls to the market for extra power and demands for “emergency assistance” from our neighbours in Europe.
Senior managers at the publicly owned National Energy System Operator (Neso) want you to believe these incidents are “routine”. Since the last “routine” incident in June, which is now the subject of both a technical and a legal investigation, Neso has signed PR contracts worth £400,000 to convince everyone they are doing splendidly. What they haven’t done is learn any lessons or produce any in-depth analysis of what the hell is going on."
Etc
https://www.thetimes.com/article/72547570-2aff-48a8-90a8-ab377b9c42b8?shareToken=1739787f749de63921c7bb9fe45e8061

Verifying Device

https://www.thetimes.com/article/72547570-2aff-48a8-90a8-ab377b9c42b8?shareToken=1739787f749de63921c7bb9fe45e8061

PumpkinSeasonIsHere · 15/10/2026 12:22

FindingMeno · 15/10/2026 08:43

I'm actually at the point of now trying to lock in on firm plans.
Where will our family meet up points be?
Who will go to who, and who should stay put?
That sort of thing.

OK our families may think we're cuckoo, but tbh, who cares?

I mentioned earlier in the thread that the Dutch government told us to do this quite a while ago (sometime last year? Or the year before?). So I don’t think you’re mad at all.

We rely on our phones so much, if communications get taken out it will be chaos.

PumpkinSeasonIsHere · 15/10/2026 12:27

“Elon Musk (3hrs ago in response to Zelenskyy saying he's not stopping)
And so the slaughter continues …
Time for Zelensky to go”

Do you mind if I just take a moment to express my rage at all this bullshit?

Ukraine was just minding its own fucking business.

I’m so sick of Zelenskyy getting blamed for not just rolling over and saying ok, take whatever you want..

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2026 12:42

Munchyseeds2 · 15/10/2026 10:58

The US are the only ones to ever invoke article 5 I think??
Idiot!!

Make a list of all the NATO countries who in theory COULD invoke art 5. Just this week Romania and Bulgaria have good cause with drones hitting boats. Germany had an attack it's attributed to Russia. It'll be interesting to know who did the French and Dutch supermarkets.

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PumpkinSeasonIsHere · 15/10/2026 12:47

On that note, Albert Heijn still has no deliveries and no website/app. However, the papers report that its distribution centres are operating again and that things are going in the right direction.

FindingMeno · 15/10/2026 12:52

@ThaneOfGlamisyyes, but isn't it interesting that we have to go back the best part of a century to find that time.
The world was a very different place, barely in living memory.
@CorvidVengeance I am so sorry for your loss.

FindingMeno · 15/10/2026 13:00

@CorvidVengeanceI am also weapons trained. But, like you say, we're going on to really apocalyptic scenarios there, and I'm not sure I could live with the person I'd need to become.

GentleSheep · 15/10/2026 13:17

PumpkinSeasonIsHere · 15/10/2026 12:27

“Elon Musk (3hrs ago in response to Zelenskyy saying he's not stopping)
And so the slaughter continues …
Time for Zelensky to go”

Do you mind if I just take a moment to express my rage at all this bullshit?

Ukraine was just minding its own fucking business.

I’m so sick of Zelenskyy getting blamed for not just rolling over and saying ok, take whatever you want..

I share your rage. Trump and Musk just want to get rid of Zelenskyy so they have someone else they can control and thus have their own way. Zelenskyy never asked for the Russians to attack. Honestly one starts to wonder who the enemy really is!

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2026 13:21

Reuters
Iranian missiles and drones have hit Gulf infrastructure sites at least 135 times, striking critical equipment and causing cascading failures that Gulf states have often concealed 1/6
The precision targeting campaign helps explain how Iran has held its own despite months of war with the United States and Israel: It creates an enduring threat against Gulf economies and gives Iran huge leverage in talks with the US 2/6
Some places suffered periods of near-daily bombardment and face billions of dollars in repairs and lost revenue. Others, like one of the world’s largest aluminum smelters in Abu Dhabi, were devastated in a single day 3/6
Some of the attacks were carried out by the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen and the Iraqi Shiite militias controlled from Tehran 4/6
Among the sites hit the most was the Fujairah port, whose location just south of Hormuz allowed the UAE to bypass Iran’s blockade. The port served as a life raft for global trade by easing the most severe disruption to oil supplies in decades 5/6
In all, Reuters found that Iranian drones and missiles have struck Fujairah at least 19 times since the war began on February 28, crippling critical pieces of its operations 6/6

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/iran-crisis-infrastructure-attacks/
Iran’s precision strikes picked apart Gulf infrastructure, blunting US war plans

In depth visual investigation by Reuters.

It's BAD.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2026 13:42

Some targets are hidden beneath rooftops and sunshades, invisible from space. Others span just a few meters. Many have purposes not immediately obvious to anyone without expertise in fields like oil refining, nuclear technology or smelting.

Without visiting the sites, Reuters could not always determine how successful Gulf air defenses were or the full extent of the damage. But time and again, Reuters found, the Iranian strikes were precise and the equipment struck was vital.

Ryan Stevens, a former US Marine Corps special operations airstrike coordinator who reviewed Reuters’ findings, said Iran’s strikes showed “precision, targeting expertise, and patience.”

AND

Some places suffered periods of near-daily bombardment and face billions of dollars in repairs and lost revenue. Others, like one of the world’s largest aluminum smelters in Abu Dhabi, were devastated in a single day. Some of the attacks were carried out by the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen and the Iraqi Shiite militias controlled from Tehran.

AND

“Every single target was civilian: Airports, terminals, refineries, gas processing plants, residential areas, shopping malls, and most recently, the Barakah nuclear power plant,” Sultan Al Jaber, the chief executive officer of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company, known as ADNOC, said in a May interview with the Atlantic Council.

“They are targeting our infrastructure,” said Al Jaber, who is also the UAE minister of industry and advanced technology. “But what they're really targeting is our way of life.”

AND

US officials believe Iran may have received intelligence from Russia and China. In addition, Iran relies upon networks of informants with access to sensitive sites to pass along photos and location information, according to three officials familiar with the issue – one from Iran and two in the Gulf.

Asked about intelligence sharing, China’s Foreign Ministry said it “consistently and strictly fulfilled its international obligations.” Russia did not respond to a request for comment.

The three officials said Iran had information including the Barakah Nuclear Energy Plant’s floorplan and the location of an electrical substation that was struck at the plant.

The UAE said the drone that struck the nuclear plant on May 17 was one of three sent “by armed factions in Iraq.” The strike on the substation forced one of its four reactors onto emergency diesel generators, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

In imagery captured June 16, the earliest clear view Reuters could obtain, there was damage in two places on the roof of a building housing the controls for the plant’s electricity lines – about 130 meters from one of the reactors.

The attack, IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi said, demonstrated a detailed level of knowledge about the plant.

"This means whoever was or is behind this knew exactly what they were doing,” Grossi said during a June 2 visit to the UAE.

AND

Kuwait’s airport was struck eight times. One hit came two days after Kuwait had reopened a major terminal upon completing repairs from a prior attack.

Iran struck advanced digital infrastructure such as Amazon data centers in the UAE and in Bahrain, where service remained down six months later because the damaged equipment couldn’t be fixed. Amazon declined to comment directly about the Reuters findings but pointed to a public statement from September 15 saying the company continued “to work on recovering regional resources.”

And Iran cut off operations for all 1,262 smelting cells at the Emirates Global Aluminium Al Taweelah smelter. It took two months until the first cell could be restarted. By late August, only a quarter of them had been brought online, the company said. Production is not expected to return to normal until 2027, according to the company.

AND

The threat was especially acute for Kuwait, a desert country that draws 90% of its drinking water from desalination plants. These facilities are often connected to coastal power plants because filtering the water takes massive amounts of heat and electricity.

Reuters found Iran hit at least four of Kuwait’s eight dual power-and-desalination plants from March 2 through July 20. Some were struck repeatedly. During one four-day period in July, Iran attacked what the government described as “several” desalination plants, including one at least twice in that brief period.

Low said Kuwait does not have the natural water resources to survive without its desalination plants. “If you were to attack enough of their capacity, we’re talking about running out of water in days or weeks,” he said.

Kuwait’s government conducted a campaign asking citizens to conserve electricity and water in “the spirit of shared responsibility.”

AND

The Jazan refinery, less than 100 kilometers from Yemen’s border, was hit at least four times from July 25 through September 7, Reuters found. The first of those attacks damaged the refinery’s tank farm and the adjacent Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle complex, which transforms oil into the gas that powers the refinery, said Stevenson of IIR Energy.

Jazan’s refining volumes dropped to zero after the attacks, according to Stevenson and two people familiar with Aramco operations. Kpler said only one ship has been loaded at the refinery since July 24.

Since the start of the war, Iranian-linked strikes have damaged five of Saudi’s nine biggest refineries and three of its major oil processing hubs, including what Aramco describes as the world’s largest, Reuters found.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2026 13:51

Following the Emir of Qatar, Egypt’s Sisi now Warns his Citizens to be Prepared for the Worst-Case Scenarios

"What has been happening has intensified considerably over the past five or six months. I swear to God, I am not trying to frighten you, but this time you will not recover again"

The Emir has said 'war is coming'. Now Egypt is saying there's a real problem. Egypt.

Egypt has a military defence pact with Saudi Arabia. Egypt relies on access to the Suez by Yemen.

Egypt has the second highest debt in the world (after Ukraine). Egypt is very vulnerable to issues with fertiliser and grain. They WILL experience famine. Many refugees who have managed to leave Gaza will be impacted by issues in Egypt. Egypt is vulnerable to civil uprising as a result.

These warnings are coming from places that KNOW. There is certainty of some things. Egypt is one of those countries who will feel it first.

Zelenskyy also knows this.

Trump couldnt give a shit.

The implications are millions. And I don't mean dollars.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2026 13:54

Egyptian President el-Sisi:

What has been happening has intensified considerably over the past five or six months, or over the past year, amid the broader situation in our region and the pressures being exerted.

They may believe they can blow up the situation in Egypt.

I swear to God, I am not trying to frighten you, but this time you will not recover again. I swear to God.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2026 13:54

Egyptian President el-Sisi:

What has been happening has intensified considerably over the past five or six months, or over the past year, amid the broader situation in our region and the pressures being exerted.

They may believe they can blow up the situation in Egypt.

I swear to God, I am not trying to frighten you, but this time you will not recover again. I swear to God.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2026 13:55

Lavrov: "We will not agree to a ceasefire; we do not want Zelenskyy to recover and receive even more weapons."

Today's Russian target? A supermarket in Odessa.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2026 13:59

Zelenskyy
Already in Brussels with my team to attend the European Council meeting and hold talks with our partners.

Important meetings are scheduled for today with the NATO Secretary General, the President of France, and the prime ministers of Poland, Denmark, and Belgium. I will also have an audience with King Philippe of the Belgians. Tomorrow, meetings are planned with the presidents of the European Council and the European Commission, as well as the prime ministers of Hungary, Finland, and Sweden.

All of us in Europe want this war to end. And for that to happen, strong signals are needed – more real pressure on Russia and more defense support for Ukraine. It is especially important now to act together to protect lives.

Rumours grow about Bahrain and Kuwait being potentially invaded.

And I should probably mention Istanbul being under six foot of water... Turkey is facing financial issues ATM and Turkey is liable to still have something to say about the situation given they flog drones to everyone...

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Holeymoley28 · 15/10/2026 15:01

It’s been a really funny one this year rain wise.

I read somewhere that we would need more than average rain over this autumn and winter locally to be out of drought for April.

Id assume meaning we basically are not coming out of our hose pipe ban for next year at all.

That’s going to affect farming badly again if it stays so dry next year.

Id also expect the restrictions to start affecting businesses that are currently exempt.

OneElatedBiscuit · 15/10/2026 16:32

They were talking about conscription and whether people would fight on R4 this morning.
Just easing us in I guess.

I would rather go than let my children go

Holeymoley28 · 15/10/2026 16:36

OneElatedBiscuit · 15/10/2026 16:32

They were talking about conscription and whether people would fight on R4 this morning.
Just easing us in I guess.

I would rather go than let my children go

I reckon a lot would try and get out on medical exemptions.

Rubydobydo · 15/10/2026 16:53

FindingMeno · 15/10/2026 09:14

@RedToothBrush yes, that does seem a very clear statement.
Handy how he's forgotten how many British service personnel were killed and wounded responding to the terrorist attack on US soil.

That response was engineered by B.Liar in order to cosy up with Bush Junior. I was working in an MoD role that by purpose, was witness to the manipulation coming from No 10. It stank. Lives didn’t matter.

Rubydobydo · 15/10/2026 17:01

FindingMeno · 15/10/2026 13:00

@CorvidVengeanceI am also weapons trained. But, like you say, we're going on to really apocalyptic scenarios there, and I'm not sure I could live with the person I'd need to become.

We’ve mentally moved beyond that - well I say we but I’m a lousy shot - when you consider your absolute safety versus someone attacking you. It’d have to be really serious to morally step towards that action.

Rubydobydo · 15/10/2026 17:05

OneElatedBiscuit · 15/10/2026 16:32

They were talking about conscription and whether people would fight on R4 this morning.
Just easing us in I guess.

I would rather go than let my children go

Sorry for the string of responses…

I have a DD with a Navy reserve commitment, a SiL with a Marines reserve commitment, and a DS that’s an Army Reservist.
My DD and SiL are both blue light workers which might save them and I’m praying that running a 3 man garage will protect my son. Serious times.

ProudCoralBear · 15/10/2026 17:07

I’ve been lurking for a while and I’m really grateful for the info that’s being shared. It feels like no one around me is paying attention and if they are they aren’t talking about it. I’m feeling increasingly like I need to make the most of every normal day and wanting to book and do as much as possible before things change. Can’t work out if I’m being OTT, does anyone else feel like this?

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2026 17:14

OneElatedBiscuit · 15/10/2026 16:32

They were talking about conscription and whether people would fight on R4 this morning.
Just easing us in I guess.

I would rather go than let my children go

Ukraine conscripted older men to protect the youth.

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