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Christa Pike -where does she stand legally?

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mids2019 · 01/10/2026 06:39

Just this really. Christ a is obviously being giving life saving treatment at hospital but where does she now stand legally. I suppose she probably has irreversible brain damage so will this not allow a second execution to take place? Is this a cruel and unusual punishment?

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5128gap · 01/10/2026 09:01

PolkaDotPorridge · 01/10/2026 06:53

This woman is evil. This is the woman that tortured and murdered a girl and then carried a piece of her skull around with her. That’s what I call cruel and unusual.

That has no bearing on a discussion about the process used. The woman committed the crime in 1996. So for 30 years the victims family have been unable to get any closure while she has been detained and made multiple appeals at huge cost to the state. Then when a decision is finally made, the execution fails (not the first time this has happened) and the perpetrator requires more care, there will be more legal processes and the victims family still suffer.
I really think its important to set aside any blood lust for revenge and virtue signaling that the worse the punishment, the more you care about the victim, and acknowledge that capital punishment is not fit for purpose. Particularly when some ranting idiots are now calling for us to adopt it here.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 01/10/2026 09:06

aCatCalledFawkes · 01/10/2026 08:52

It's well documented that her boyfriend was as much guilty as she was. I don't know what he did because they mainly only quote what she did. But he was sent to prison without parole for his part 17yrs. I can't see where you got the minimising bit from.

I fail to see how pointing out that it wasn’t “just” her would be relevant if that wasn’t what you intended…
But I am still glad that you’re not downplaying or minimising her actions.

My sympathies lie with the victim and her mother.

www.clarin.com/us-news/may-martinez-mother-of-colleen-slemmer-spoke-ahead-of-christa-pikes-execution-maybe-now-we-will-finally-have-justice_0_X59iF1xBTc.amp.html

F63C · 01/10/2026 09:08

I'm wondering if someone has diluted the sodium thiopentone or they didn't get it in the vein which is pretty lame as a grown woman's veins are pretty big and they would situate a cannula first and draw back to ensure it's mid lumen.

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notacooldad · 01/10/2026 09:09

Ive not had time to read the whole thread so sorry if anyone has already said this.

When i first read this I was reminded of the centuries old case if half hanged Maggie Dickinson. She was to be executed by hanging. However after the hanging and while her coffin was at a wake ( I think it was) she was found to be alive. After going to the police it was decided that she could be free because the punishment had been carried out, she actually had been hanged. She just happened to have survived it.

TheWiseLilacScroller · 01/10/2026 09:09

likelysuspect · 01/10/2026 07:31

I would imagine there is no protocol because if Im right medics dont legally get involved with executions, it goes against the hippocratic oath. So its botched quite a lot anyway as I understand. She wont be able to be denied treatment in hospital because she is being treated by proper medics there. So then back to prison to try again perhaps.

Parts of the execution are carried out by a physician. Both this botched execution and the last botched one (Tony Carruthers in May) were carried out by Dr Mark Fowler.

Dollymylove · 01/10/2026 09:09

MellowSubmarine · 01/10/2026 06:46

She’s in hospital now after two doses of the lethal injection left her unconscious but alive.

So why not administer another, larger dose?

GobbolinoAndSootica · 01/10/2026 09:11

Newsenmum · 01/10/2026 07:21

Can someone explain to me like Im five why they are giving her life saving treatment? I dont agree with execution at all but I also can’t understand why they are now trying to save her?

I think it's because after the second failed dose, the execution was halted. Then once it was not an execution, she was a prisoner in need of medical treatment.

Dontbesonosy · 01/10/2026 09:12

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 01/10/2026 08:50

I'm anti death penalty completely but do find it somewhat ironic that what is considered inhuman for prisoners (withdrawing food and water) is exactly the method we use to end the suffering of our elderly and sick.

No it isn’t. People who are actively dying cannot, and do not need, to process food and water. They are not starved to death.

LaurieFairyCake · 01/10/2026 09:13

It’s all just incredibly sad. She had a horribly abusive childhood and committed this terrible crime as a teenager.

I disagree with state sponsored murder so I hope she recovers and spends the rest of her life in jail with her sentence commuted to that.

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 01/10/2026 09:14

Dontbesonosy · 01/10/2026 09:12

No it isn’t. People who are actively dying cannot, and do not need, to process food and water. They are not starved to death.

You've clearly never been through this with a loved one.

MellowSubmarine · 01/10/2026 09:17

F63C · 01/10/2026 09:08

I'm wondering if someone has diluted the sodium thiopentone or they didn't get it in the vein which is pretty lame as a grown woman's veins are pretty big and they would situate a cannula first and draw back to ensure it's mid lumen.

Her lawyers, when they were trying to delay the execution, argued she has something wrong with her veins.

Bitsostuff · 01/10/2026 09:18

Dontbesonosy · 01/10/2026 09:12

No it isn’t. People who are actively dying cannot, and do not need, to process food and water. They are not starved to death.

Tony Bland's parents fought for the hospital to withdraw nutrition, hydration and medication from him so he could be allowed to die (of starvation and dehydration). Its pretty barbaric that that was their only option.

MellowSubmarine · 01/10/2026 09:19

Dollymylove · 01/10/2026 09:09

So why not administer another, larger dose?

That isn’t in the state’s protocol. Basically they have no protocol to follow for the person being alive after two doses. They’re allowed to give one, if it doesn’t work then give another. Then the rules don’t say what happens after that.

I don’t know why the protocol wouldn’t allow another dose, possibly it would be considered “cruel and unusual punishment” to keep going if it’s clearly not working.

Soundsok · 01/10/2026 09:20

Dontbesonosy · 01/10/2026 09:12

No it isn’t. People who are actively dying cannot, and do not need, to process food and water. They are not starved to death.

You think?
My mother was starved to death in hospital and suffered dreadfully.

Rosscameasdoody · 01/10/2026 09:24

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 01/10/2026 07:52

Somebody who lured their victim with a promise of becoming friends (after some sort of personal conflict) to a secluded location, tortured her, murdered her and kept a piece of her skull as a trophy.

someone who was convicted a second time - this time of attempted first degree murder. Where she attempted to strangle a fellow inmate with a shoe lace…

Is state sanctioned murder abhorrent? Yes.

should convicted murderers be given the chance to “achieve” this kind of notoriety due the countless appeals, execution stays etc commonly associated with the death sentence in the US? Absolutely not imo.

but my main sympathy still lies with the young woman who was tortured and had her skull smashed to pieces. And her family. Not with the perpetrators.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, but it in no way excuses the state from botching up this execution so badly. There are some commentators in the US now saying that something like this was always going to happen and it should be a test case for having the method banned - at least while they try to resolve the issues connected with it.

Below is a link to a BBC investigation into how the drugs used in lethal injection are obtained. It makes interesting reading.

Basically drug companies don’t want their drugs and equipment associated with capital punishment so they put in place strict end user agreements and ban distributors from supplying prisons. Authorities are then forced to look elsewhere for the drugs and because unauthorised imports are mainly blocked and seized it’s becoming more and more difficult.

And this is where ‘compounding pharmacies’ come in. These are specialised pharmacies that combine, or alter raw drug ingredients to create custom medications - in other words a made to order laboratory. They’re used mainly by medics to create drugs tailored to individual patients to get around things like allergies or to make alternative versions of mass produced drugs when they’re out of stock. But as prisons are prevented more and more from accessing execution drugs, they are turning to these pharmacies to custom-make raw ‘compounded’ batches of execution drugs.

Compounded medications don’t undergo the same rigorous clinical review processes that mass-manufactured drugs do - they have a very short shelf life and vary in strength. So sub standard or old stock drugs can cause excruciating pain and failure to anaesthetise before cardiac arrest is induced. An added controversy is the fact that these drugs, when used for conventional medicine, require trained anaesthetists and carefully calibrated equipment to ensure proper administration. With lethal injection it’s prison staff with minimal training who are responsible for administering the drugs. The potential for causing horrific suffering is huge.

My own opinion is that if the state is going to apply the death penalty then they need to adhere to their own rules concerning ‘cruel and unusual punishment’ and ensure that the condemned person isn’t subjected to any more suffering than is absolutely necessary to get the job done. But l don’t think lethal injection is the clean and painless method people think it is - especially if safety protocols are bypassed in the process.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67150566

Protest against the death penalty

Death row: The secret hunt for lethal drugs used in US executions

When drugs used in executions stopped being produced in the US, prisons turned to the UK to find a new supply.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67150566

Vaxtable · 01/10/2026 09:27

The issue for me is the number of times there have been issues with the use of injections.

personally I think all executions are barbaric and they should have life in prision in a small cell, no to or comforts, no interaction with others, locked up 23/7/365. That’s more of a punishment

Rosscameasdoody · 01/10/2026 09:30

Vaxtable · 01/10/2026 09:27

The issue for me is the number of times there have been issues with the use of injections.

personally I think all executions are barbaric and they should have life in prision in a small cell, no to or comforts, no interaction with others, locked up 23/7/365. That’s more of a punishment

That would be considered cruel and unusual though.

Limeandfigs · 01/10/2026 09:31

PolkaDotPorridge · 01/10/2026 06:53

This woman is evil. This is the woman that tortured and murdered a girl and then carried a piece of her skull around with her. That’s what I call cruel and unusual.

I find some of the use of language around this case really interesting and this post above is a great example of why - sorry PP, not picking on you directly.

Pike's victim was a year older than her. Slemmer was 19 and Pike was 18 when the murder was commited by Pike and two others.

But while Pike is described as a woman, her victim is described as a girl.

Seriestwo · 01/10/2026 09:36

She had asked for an all female execution team - presumably due to her history at the hands of men. Maybe the team were inexperienced- I can’t imagine there are very many people who work on that shift and know what they are doing, let alone all women.

regardless, Nothing good will come from this, especially for the family of the victim who’s name I can’t even tell you but I know the name of one of her killers who has been made notorious and there will be a Netflix special about her now. That’s not justice or closure for the family.

warninglivewithoutwarning · 01/10/2026 09:37

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 01/10/2026 08:50

I'm anti death penalty completely but do find it somewhat ironic that what is considered inhuman for prisoners (withdrawing food and water) is exactly the method we use to end the suffering of our elderly and sick.

It’s my understanding that instead of withdrawing food, we just don’t force feed

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 01/10/2026 09:38

Cla7 · 01/10/2026 08:47

Because there are rules how someone can be executed and methods are supposed to avoid suffering. Letting someone suffer for hours/days and slowly die is not permitted. Otherwise prisons could just stop to supply food and drink to those supposed to be executed and not go through all the trouble of sourcing the chemicals etc needed for the execution.

Thanks, I suppose that makes sense.
It's still killing though and it's still barbaric however you do it.
Doesn't make it any better because "you've made it more humane."
It's all just such a mess.

Xcellently · 01/10/2026 09:39

What an absolutely horrible mess. This is just another reason to stop the death penalty.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 01/10/2026 09:41

Seriestwo · 01/10/2026 09:36

She had asked for an all female execution team - presumably due to her history at the hands of men. Maybe the team were inexperienced- I can’t imagine there are very many people who work on that shift and know what they are doing, let alone all women.

regardless, Nothing good will come from this, especially for the family of the victim who’s name I can’t even tell you but I know the name of one of her killers who has been made notorious and there will be a Netflix special about her now. That’s not justice or closure for the family.

Her name was Colleen Slemmer. Daughter of May Martinez.

www.clarin.com/us-news/may-martinez-mother-of-colleen-slemmer-spoke-ahead-of-christa-pikes-execution-maybe-now-we-will-finally-have-justice_0_X59iF1xBTc.amp.html

Toastytina · 01/10/2026 09:41

Why couldnt she giben an overdose of GA after sedation. Quick and painless.

warninglivewithoutwarning · 01/10/2026 09:41

At the time of her sentencing she was told she would be “subjected to shock by sufficient current of electricity until you are dead”

The US is fucked up