Lindsay clancy trial

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Has anyone else been following the lindsay clancy trial? What is everyone thinkin? I dont think she done it

Sheldonsheher · Today 23:22
“Aside from the horror, and i can’t understand if you did this horrific murder if your own children would you even want to get a pardon by insanity and carry on with life?”

This feels like the crux of it for me

It is not high though. Many, many women suffer post natal depression and mental illness (me included) and never harm their children. It is extremely rare - even for a woman with postnatal psychosis- to actually harm her children. That’s why cases like this are so high profile.

Wow, just wooooow, I’m absolutely appalled at your comment. They should have their children removed? So the 1 in 7 women who suffer from post natal depression should have their children removed?

And Lindsay Clancy was suffering from postpartum psychosis btw, educate yourself

I dont know. I didn't realise until reading this thread that she has no memory of it at all. What is the explanation for her dna not being on the bands?

I’ve heard conflicting things that her DNA was on the bands. And also Patrick’s will be on the bands because he specifically states he removed them.

This is another thing that people are commenting on incorrectly. Her DNA was found on the bands, her fingerprints were not, nor where they found on the knife used to inflict her wounds.

I managed not to kill my children when I was unwell with PPD, anxiety and intrusive thoughts.

Oh my god, that’s just utterly heartbreaking.

And I find it even more astounding that a man can see his wife in that state, caring day and night for his disabled child and other children, but not really fancy such a tough life himself so wander off to pastures new, leaving her penniless exhausted and extremely unwell due to the pregnancy he caused. Yet he is not villified or sanctioned in our society. He is morally derelict. But happy days, he has a shiny new unproblematic wife to play with.

That’s not this case.

He's remarried already. Met someone a couple of months after his children died. One thing Lindsay Clancy was deeply depressed about was being unable to afford to stay in her home after they split.

Still not the same case?

Who is the disabled child?

LC and PC did not split. You are thinking of another case.

I apologise if I have mistaken two different cases.

I got two cases mixed up. Sorry. Totally my mistake.

None of the children were disabled. You’re confused with another case.

Yes I agree with this. To everyone else my mum would have appeared perfectly lucid, even to me she certainly didn’t seem like you would imagine someone in psychosis would present as if you didn’t know anything about mental illnesss.
She wasn’t rocking in a corner unable to communicate or running about screeching like a mad woman rambling about nonsense, she was by all accounts normal except her mind was not normal and it came out randomly with things she said and what she thought was happening.
People with no experience of this will assume people with psychosis act a certain way but this way is made up in their head based on what their imagine of people with psychosis behave like.

Agree and much support for you both 💐

It's seems that the Gothic novel screaming woman in the attic attitude still prevails today, when it's clearly not the case.

I knew of a woman who committed suicide. She put her two young children in their pushchairs with drinks and food and left them in the railway station waiting room.

When the next train came along she walked out onto the tracks. Her mental health deteriorated badly post children and it didn't help at all that her husband was a scumbag.

I know another similar case, except it was a home suicide - another abusive husband - FIL sister.

Those children are all middle aged adults now and feel compassionate about their mother's plight. They certainly don't judge.

Both men went on to remarry quickly.

I reckon this will be an unpopular opinion on MN. I don't think Lindsay had postpartum psychosis. She was evaluated by multiple mental health professionals (before this occurred), and they have all said that she did not meet the criteria for that diagnosis. Simply asserting that someone was suffering from a certain mental illness at the time of committing a crime with no formal diagnosis is not enough. Surely, the experts hired by the defence will be eager to diagnose and assert that she was (but it is their job to lessen her culpability).

She seems to have been quite a perfectionist/anxious personality and quite overwhelmed/unhappy with her life as it was. One recurring theme that multiple people in her life have stated is that she always became very anxious when it became closer to the time when she would need to return to work after having each child. I suspect that she really did not want to return to work for an indefinite amount of time but felt that she could not tell her husband and everyone else in her life this (for whatever reason).

She was struggling with her children (particularly her middle child and youngest child). There were multiple journal entries and a post in a Facebook parenting group about Dawson (her middle child) having an incredibly difficult personality and multiple journal entries about struggling with Callan's (her youngest child) sleep schedule. The child that was deemed as being 'difficult' (Dawson) was found face up whilst the other two children were found face down. The exercise band was also more tightly wrapped around him than the other two.

They found that she had searched how long it would take for her husband to make it back to the house as if she was determining how much time she would have to do all of this before he arrived home.

Four days before the crime, she searched "Can you treat a sociopath?" on her phone. Did she suspect that she was a sociopath? If so, why?

And thankfully that was your situation, and I hope you received the care you needed at the time and made a full recovery.

However, this woman had postpartum psychosis, a completely different beast. She also had medical professionals around her, who not only did not help, they made her conditions infinitely worse.

I hope you can understand that, not only were the conditions you suffered from completely different, but that people can suffer in completely different ways from the same conditions.

I agree with this.

Can people stop saying she had postpartum psychosis when there is absolutely no diagnosis of that? Nobody is expecting her to reflect the mad woman in the attic trope but multiple, multiple (because she saw so many different professionals due to her anxiety) highly qualified professionals did not find one symptom of psychosis. I’m sorry I simply don’t believe she wouldn’t have let something slip if it was bad enough she killed 3 children.

Let’s stick with the evidence. The defense have to prove she had psychosis. It is not sufficient to just say she had it and does not meet the legal criteria for her being incapable of making another choice.

Honestly, there is SO much reasonable doubt in this case I don’t believe the jury should find her guilty at all.

Whether she did it, who knows? But if the law is followed, she should walk.

The defence doesn't has to prove anything. It's the prosecution that has to prove beyond reasonable doubt.

Reasonable doubt about what? She did kill the children and has admitted it in court.

The doubt is about whether she could have reasonably have been expected to make another choice or was ‘criminally insane’? Is she responsible for her actions is the question the jury have to answer.

I believe she is and does not meet the criteria for criminal insanity.