Lindsay clancy trial

[Widowwith2]

Has anyone else been following the lindsay clancy trial? What is everyone thinkin? I dont think she done it

I watched practically the whole trial and the closing arguments. I thought Reddington was good but a bit all over the place I’d liked to have seen him pit the argument together better as it came across like he was saying what ever popped into his head at the time. But he made good points.

The prosecution was better in closing than in the whole trial, although her sugary soft voice was really grating on me, she certainly didn’t speak like that at any other point in the trial, and she got better towards the end.
There were things that she said that didn’t make sense, LC now apparently has a serious mental health condition and did mean to commit suicide.

Also I’m so confused about the bands, were they knotted or tied or not because no one seems to be able to agree on it or even know.

I have tried hard to not listen to the conspiracy theories and stick to the facts but quite frankly not much about the whole situation makes sense.

I've seen multiple people online say and make videos about it being strange that Patrick had the children cremated as they're (Lindsay & Patrick) apparently devout Catholics according to these people (and apparently Catholics shouldn't cremate according to these people), but Lindsay mentioned needing to get birth control soon in one of her diary writings. They're acting as if it's suspicious and horrifying that Patrick chose cremation because they're Catholic, but I did not think birth control/contraception was 'allowed' by the Catholic Church either. Catholicism was also mentioned multiple times during the trial. Do we know if they're actually all that religious as people are saying, or has there been an overreaction about the cremation decision? I know very little about Catholicism, so please forgive any inaccuracies.

It’s not against the religion to cremate someone, it used to be forbidden but it’s changed now and as long as the ashes are kept in a certain way then it’s acceptable. I think most do bury though I don’t know any catholics who do cremate but then I don’t know all catholics on the planet so who knows what the thinking around it is, but I think devout catholics don’t usually cremate.

Because it’s not usual practice people were making leaps about why he cremated the children saying that he needed to be rid of any evidence so they couldn’t be exhumed.
So many things about what happened just don’t make sense and it’s just another thing, PC family seem to be religious so it’s surprising they went with cremation. However I only know that his mother is religious PC might not be religious at all and that’s his preference, there’s nothing wrong with that.

Religion has been brought into the trial from the prosecution, asking his mother about her faith and if she knows murdered is a mortal sin. One of the prosecution witnesses also talked about religion, he brought up mortal sin too when talking about LC and her religious beliefs.

I think the prosecution brought it up for the jury though, maybe hoping one or more jurors would be religious and sway them that way. I can’t see the benefit of asking PC’s mother if she knows it’s a sin as I’m sure she does, most people know it is whether they frame it as a religious sin or not they know it’s an abhorrent act.

edited to add I am not catholic it’s only my understanding of the religion and its practices

Catholic 🖐️

You can cremate as long as the ashes are interred in a consecrated place (churchyard, memorial garden, vault etc) it’s more unusual for Catholics to keep cremated remains at home for this reason, although I believe there are exceptions. Scattering of ashes is not permitted.

Agreed, there was no evidence that she planned that evening any differently from any other day. Her actions up to the point were normal. I actually believe the psychosis event happened because a sudden opportunity was there not because she created it.

having spent a lot of time with someone who suffers from psychotic episodes, and witnessed how they act, how normal they are and how difficult it is to tell when they are being led by psychosis, she fits the bill entirely.

she begged for help.

she told people what she was thinking. How brave to do you need to be to tell your family you’ve had thoughts of harming your own children.

but no one took her seriously, because she was otherwise normal and rationale, carrying on with day to day life.

that’s exactly what psychosis looks like, until it’s too late.

@StraightTalkingTina I too have experienced similar with someone who has suffered bouts of psychosis (not post partum).

I also read yesterday evening that one of the prosecutions key experts, Dr Mack, has now resigned his position at Nemours Children's Health hours after testifying against her.

A lot of 'experts' in this trial have been found lacking in experience and/or knowledge.

I certainly wouldn't like to be on the Jury for this one.
Personally, I'd like to see 'not guilty by means of mental health' but would hope, if not that, that the Jury find on a lesser charge than first degree murder.

I have just listened to the Prosecutors latest podcast. While they make some valid points and she gives a speech that Reddington could have used. They really think she is murder one guilty. I was shouting at the podcast. They say she was a narcissist but there is no evidence of that.

On another note, America is crazy can't imagine here the closing speeches and evidence being ripped apart during a live trial to that degree.

I can’t figure something out. When Patrick comes home the bedroom door is locked. He gets a spare key from his daughter’s room and unlocks the door but how did LC lock the door from the inside? There was a doorknob on the door was there also a thumb turn lock on it which could be unlocked from the outside with a key like some front doors have? No one has questioned the locking situation so I assume it’s something common in America but I haven’t seen anything about how she locked the door from the inside.

The two bow women have a podcast? really? Whats that called?

Im just watching the Karen Reade doco now. Fascinating. I'm quite fascinated by how in this day and age we have these outrageously shite police investigations (like Lindsays) and then they have the nerve to do a murder trial. It should be thrown out because of the shitty police investigation - if you cant do the basics then you cant possibly say that convincting someone of murder is reasonable. Reasonable doubt is literally a guarantee simply because of the poor investigation. I mean it was beyond poor in Lindsays case. They just accepted everything Patrick said from the get go. Shocking.

Amanda knox talks a lot about this and I agree.

They say she was a narcissist but there is no evidence of that.

Yes, I’ve heard that said on SM.
I’m pretty certain that if the prosecution believed that to be likely they’d have been on it and had an expert in NPD interview her and then testify to that effect.

I also read that anyone supporting her must be a narcissist too, so 🤷‍♀️🙄

No not the bow sisters, there’s a podcast called the prosecutors it’s a couple of people who cover true crime and have covered the LC trial

Would something like this actually go to trail in the uk or in Europe ? Just curious cos I’ve heard of mothers doing this in similar circumstances and there was no trial

It has happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/mar/17/childrensservices.uknews

I’m from a catholic background. Cremation has become much more common this past 15 years. It’s quite hard and expensive to get a grave.

in terms of contraception, very widely used. Times have changed.

This was not the same at all. Her children died from SIDS and she was convincted, then the conviction was overturned.

She was convicted of murdering them. By suffocation and shaking.

Interested to know if Lindsay had a say in the burial method and agreed.

Plus was there an autopsy done on the deceased children before burial?

Yes its very different. Apparently it happened a lot with women where they are accused of a crime when they actually wasnt even a crime at all. I think thats what has happened to Lucy Letby.

LC is different. A crime has been committed for sure. Someone murdered those children. I dont think it was her. Regardless there was a shit police investigation. Which should have met the Bowden charge - which Big Red asked for but was denied. Im not sure why.

Thanks yes. Alice and Brett they are actually prosecutors and give their opinion.

Yes, I take your point. To me that seems different because the question was whether Sally Clark's children had died of natural causes or not. Whereas someone definitely killed the Clancy children. In this case there is no option that nobody did anything to the children.

But that wasn't the question of whether Sally Clark's children died of natural causes for the prosecution. She killed them was the prosecution's accusation and they won.

Her husband also defended her. So many similarities.

It is a bit differently though. I mean I’m in Ireland and I’ve seen it happen here where mothers with post natal psychiatric conditions killed children and it never went to court they were just admitted in psychiatric facilities. I am just curious as to why that is

I agree. I do wonder what would have happened had it been here.

My first post on this thread was questioning why this case ever went to trial. I don't think it should have.

Ireland's not quite covered in glory when it comes to women, children and pregnancy. Was born and lived there for almost 29 years.