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Widowwith2 · 2026-08-10T20:04:35+00:00

Has anyone else been following the lindsay clancy trial? What is everyone thinkin? I dont think she done it

Sparrowsandbudgies · 27/08/2026 13:35

NameChangeForMedicalConfidentiality · 27/08/2026 11:18

This is a common yet wrong view that those in psychosis can’t function ‘normally’ it’s actually very common that automatic functions remain perfectly intact but the thought process is very disturbed. I remember a case years ago where a patient believed she was in a relationship with a complete stranger. She was able to organise the sale of her home, book removal companies, pack up all her belongings etc. and it was only when she and her belonging arrived on the doorstep of someone she had never met did the extent of her psychosis become apparent.

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Yes it was me that shared that story. It was someone who was an inpatient with my Mum in a psychiatric hospital. I think I shared it earlier in this thread. People just don’t understand it at all.

Itsabirditsaplane · 27/08/2026 14:44

NowIsTheWinterOfOurDiscontent · 27/08/2026 13:15

Agree, people seem to think "psychosis" means "like the psycho film".

The person absolutely can look rational and be able to plan and carry out things. Does not mean they are sane. Does NOT mean they realise what they are doing is (morally) wrong. They think they're saving their child from demons or whatever.

I would vote not guilty by reason of insanity.

I know the prosecution doesn't have to PROVE motive but what on earth do they think the motive was?! There's no evidence of anything other than a loving mother, up to the day in question. No sign she enjoyed hurting her children or anything. And given she tried to kill herself, it's not like her aim was "childfree life".

A psychologist (Kirk Heilbrun) has testified that it is his opinion that she wanted to commit s-cide and did not want to leave her children behind.

Her journal entries suggest that she was unhappy with her life, experiencing periods of depression, and struggling to cope. In one of her journal entries she wrote, “It’s like I’m desperate to get a mental break from taking care of everyone. My mind is trying to make something physically wrong with me. My mind never shuts off. It’s constantly thinking of the next thing someone needs. I can’t shut it off. I desperately want to go back to work, but now I don’t know how I’m going to function, and it worries me”.

In another one of her journal entries she wrote, “I’m completely overwhelmed trying to take care of the three kids”.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kip3aauXqps

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jPsVs5Th7NQ

H202too · 27/08/2026 15:04

What are all the pics on their desks and massive message print outs?

placemats · 27/08/2026 15:07

People need to understand the severity of post partum psychosis in big letters.

H202too · 27/08/2026 15:08

Any why is the defence going first?

placemats · 27/08/2026 15:09

Victorius19 · 27/08/2026 09:22

The FBI psychiatrist was a very powerful witness testimony.

I think that anything other than prison sets a very dangerous precedent here.

It came across as a rambling on and on and on and on and on and on thoughts.

placemats · 27/08/2026 15:12

H202too · 27/08/2026 15:08

Any why is the defence going first?

Because the prosecution sounds so far as a defence.

MarilynMerlot · 27/08/2026 15:19

The rebuttal witnesses were (despite S taking a million years to say anything) good in terms of articulating how things like command voices in psychosis work. For me, even though she was seriously and desperately unwell, I still think she knew what she was doing was wrong and intended to commit suicide and take the children with her.

Capacity is an incredibly fine line here and regardless she should be committed to a psych ward, not prison.

H202too · 27/08/2026 15:20

placemats · 27/08/2026 15:12

Because the prosecution sounds so far as a defence.

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What do you mean?

OpalsRuby · 27/08/2026 15:46

Sparrowsandbudgies · 27/08/2026 11:03

I’m not sure. We have plenty of very violent serial killers locked up in secure psychiatric hospitals in the U.K, ie Broadmoor. Surely that’s the sort of place she should be.

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It's two very different countries and different systems/laws. In the UK, they will either forever be locked up and never let out or remain locked up for a significant amount of years (decades?). In the US, they have the chance to be let out on a yearly basis. As a PP already stated, the average length of stay in a psychiatric institution for a person found NGRI (not guilty by reason of insanity) is between 4 and 8 years in the US.

Savvysix1984 · 27/08/2026 16:08

placemats · 27/08/2026 15:09

It came across as a rambling on and on and on and on and on and on thoughts.

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He was uncomfortable to watch. My sister asked if he had an ear piece as he was taking so long to answer.

Savvysix1984 · 27/08/2026 17:03

Anybody watch the full closing arguments?
I thought Redd underestimated the prosecutor and she was excellent. Redd was all over the place, though he made some good points. It felt rushed.

the prosecutor solidified my views, changing them slightly. I wonder what the jury thought.

H202too · 27/08/2026 17:13

Savvysix1984 · 27/08/2026 17:03

Anybody watch the full closing arguments?
I thought Redd underestimated the prosecutor and she was excellent. Redd was all over the place, though he made some good points. It felt rushed.

the prosecutor solidified my views, changing them slightly. I wonder what the jury thought.

I did. I thought she was awful and some absolute embellishments. The walkthrough of the timeline was the only impactful bit.
Red was shouty and a but rude at times but made some good points.
I can't predict it.

seanconneryseyebrow · 27/08/2026 18:00

Does anyone know when we will hear the verdict and how? Will we get a lot of notice? How does it work. Id like to watch it live but how will we know when its being filmed (if it even is).

OpalsRuby · 27/08/2026 19:14

seanconneryseyebrow · 27/08/2026 18:00

Does anyone know when we will hear the verdict and how? Will we get a lot of notice? How does it work. Id like to watch it live but how will we know when its being filmed (if it even is).

The livestream will typically say that they're on verdict watch (waiting for the jury to reach a verdict), and it will usually be announced when a verdict has been reached. How much notice depends on when the judge is ready. If he's on lunch break then it could take longer. It could be 10 minutes or an hour (for example). Everyone will then come into the courtroom, and the verdict will be read. The verdict will be live-streamed. Below is a link to a livestream. If there is a hung jury (meaning that jurors cannot agree on a verdict), then the judge will declare a mistrial and she will be retried at a later date (usually months to a year later). Court starts at around 9 AM (2 PM UK time). Court ends at around 4 PM (9 PM UK time), so everyone will go home and come back the next day if a verdict has not been reached by that time. The best way to not miss the verdict being read is to have the livestream on from the time that court starts until it ends every day (if you're able to).

placemats · 28/08/2026 00:46

It's as they both say 'proof beyond a reasonable doubt' for guilty.

StraightTalkingTina · 28/08/2026 05:32

Pigeonatthewheel · 26/08/2026 00:57

I recognise postpartum psychosis as a real thing yet remain very sceptical that this was the case in this incident based on a combination of factors.

It is statistically very rare, estimated at about 1 in every 629 cases, that a first instance of psychosis will lead to murder. It is also unlikely (though possible) that she would sound normal to her husband during this claimed psychotic episode whilst he was out on her well planned errands for him that we are to believe she organised all whilst in the grip of psychosis.

So is her defence possibly true - well some people win the lottery jackpot twice, so we can’t say very low statistical possibility equates to impossible. If the question is do I think beyond reasonable doubt she wasn’t having a psychotic episode when she committed the murders, my answer is yes.

I also think there is an interesting question over which verdict is best for society (not that this is in any way how a verdict should be reached). Not guilty is ultimately a verdict that could lead to more women having a way of dodging accountability for filicide and lead to more deaths. Not guilty may also lead to greater awareness of postpartum psychosis and depression and lead to more women seeking treatment and provision of better resources.

So you think their are a bunch of women waiting for case law to pass so that they can murder their children..?

she is no longer post partum firstly, so any diagnosis now would be different. Reddington said she is heavily medicated most days. Who wouldn’t be living through this. I don’t believe she poses any risk to society, and I hope for a not guilty result in order that she can be treated and find a way to live in some sort of peace.

seanconneryseyebrow · 28/08/2026 07:50

OpalsRuby · 27/08/2026 19:14

The livestream will typically say that they're on verdict watch (waiting for the jury to reach a verdict), and it will usually be announced when a verdict has been reached. How much notice depends on when the judge is ready. If he's on lunch break then it could take longer. It could be 10 minutes or an hour (for example). Everyone will then come into the courtroom, and the verdict will be read. The verdict will be live-streamed. Below is a link to a livestream. If there is a hung jury (meaning that jurors cannot agree on a verdict), then the judge will declare a mistrial and she will be retried at a later date (usually months to a year later). Court starts at around 9 AM (2 PM UK time). Court ends at around 4 PM (9 PM UK time), so everyone will go home and come back the next day if a verdict has not been reached by that time. The best way to not miss the verdict being read is to have the livestream on from the time that court starts until it ends every day (if you're able to).

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Oh thank you. I will have that on today so I dont miss it!

If a mistrial is declared will she definately be retried or could the CW say they wont bother? Im not sure how it works. Do they really go through all that again?

rainbowbee9 · 28/08/2026 12:13

H202too · 27/08/2026 17:13

I did. I thought she was awful and some absolute embellishments. The walkthrough of the timeline was the only impactful bit.
Red was shouty and a but rude at times but made some good points.
I can't predict it.

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I thought the defence closing statement was all over the place. The prosecution was so much more eloquent and well argued, even if we don't agree with the points - it was so much more convincing and well put togeyher. I was really surprised by the defence.

GottaKeepItClassy · 28/08/2026 13:16

she is no longer post partum firstly, so any diagnosis now would be different. Reddington said she is heavily medicated most days. Who wouldn’t be living through this. I don’t believe she poses any risk to society, and I hope for a not guilty result in order that she can be treated and find a way to live in some sort of peace.

This is also where I am.

Just my thoughts on the trial, I don't think the prosecution did a good enough job, their case wasn't strong enough and at times they came across as floundering. Even the prosecutions own key expert, on cross, couldn't fully support prosecutions opening statement. Their closing statement was better and it needed to be (although I do question whether being that graphic and emotive could backfire).
The defence were consistently better over the weeks, but their closing was a bit lacking.
I don't think either teams closing statement would be enough to cause any Juror, having heard and seen all the evidence over the weeks and confident in their decision, to rethink.

OpalsRuby · 28/08/2026 15:33

seanconneryseyebrow · 28/08/2026 07:50

Oh thank you. I will have that on today so I dont miss it!

If a mistrial is declared will she definately be retried or could the CW say they wont bother? Im not sure how it works. Do they really go through all that again?

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The prosecution will decide if she will be retried if there is a hung jury. They could say that they won't bother, but I think it's very likely (almost guaranteed) that the prosecution would decide to retry her. If she is retried then they will go through the entire trial again, but entirely new jurors will be selected.

Karen Read is another well-known defendant who was also tried in Massachusetts for murder. Her first trial resulted in a hung jury. The prosecution then decided to retry her, and she was found not guilty last year.

https://abcnews.com/US/karen-read-retrial-verdict/story?id=122895647

Karen Read found not guilty of murder in retrial on police officer boyfriend's death

Prosecutors alleged Read hit her boyfriend, John O'Keefe, with her car outside another officer's home in January 2022 and then left him to die there during a blizzard.

https://abcnews.com/US/karen-read-retrial-verdict/story?id=122895647

OpalsRuby · 28/08/2026 15:50

seanconneryseyebrow · 28/08/2026 07:50

Oh thank you. I will have that on today so I dont miss it!

If a mistrial is declared will she definately be retried or could the CW say they wont bother? Im not sure how it works. Do they really go through all that again?

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Here is a more thorough link! ^

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_O%27Keefe

Death of John O'Keefe - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_O'Keefe

MarilynMerlot · 28/08/2026 15:56

Truly feels like it could be on a knife edge, verdict-wise.

seanconneryseyebrow · 28/08/2026 16:25

OpalsRuby · 28/08/2026 15:33

The prosecution will decide if she will be retried if there is a hung jury. They could say that they won't bother, but I think it's very likely (almost guaranteed) that the prosecution would decide to retry her. If she is retried then they will go through the entire trial again, but entirely new jurors will be selected.

Karen Read is another well-known defendant who was also tried in Massachusetts for murder. Her first trial resulted in a hung jury. The prosecution then decided to retry her, and she was found not guilty last year.

https://abcnews.com/US/karen-read-retrial-verdict/story?id=122895647

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When this kinda of thing happens is that it? These people spend years and years in prison, and is it just an 'oops sorry about that'. No compensation or apology or something??

I was listening to Amanda Knox on Heretic on a podcast this morning. 4 years in a italian prison for nowt. Not guilty but she is still fighting a slander charge for saying the police were shite. Baffling.

Savvysix1984 · 28/08/2026 17:14

The jury have to agree unanimously. I think it’s such a complex case that I don’t see how there can be full agreement.