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My name is CurlewKate and I am a recovering pedant….

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CurlewKate · 31/07/2026 05:39

After 30 years as an active pedant, I am now trying VERY hard always to look at what people obviously mean, and not the way they express it. Not everyone has been taught about apostrophes.

But for the love of GOD- please stop saying “stag doo” “birthday doo”. Any other “doo”! Where did that come from?

OP posts:
BeanNaGealai · 31/07/2026 14:30

BatshitCrazyWoman · 31/07/2026 14:26

This is true. I will admit to being slightly irritated when the word 'shirred' is pronounced as rhyming with weird, when it should rhyme with bird (shirred as in those dresses with the elasticated bodice). I try very hard not to be irritated though!

And why are sweatshirts now called jumpers by some people? They are completely different types of garment to me!! That's not really a grammar/pronunciation thing though...

I would have pronounced it as shire with a d at the end. As in Lord of the Rings shire. I'm off to google what a shirred dress is and see do I need one.

itsgettingweird · 31/07/2026 14:32

AgnesX · 31/07/2026 07:43

Agadoo, doo, doo, stuff a pineapple up a tree...or something 😁

Thankyou, OP for helping with today's earworm!

I was wondering if anyone else started singing this as I read the thread. 🤣🤣

dandelionfluffy · 31/07/2026 14:32

EBearhug · 31/07/2026 13:03

No they're not. They're not even the same in my own voice all the time - to can vary between tuh and too, depending on the surrounding words. I mean, it's all sounding weird to me just now, because I have been muttering to myself to see how I say things, so I could just be talking bollocks now. But I can imagine saying, "I am going tuh the zoo, too," but, "no, I said I am going too the zoo from the shops," for emphasis.

Vowels often change between different accents.

The emphasised vowel in "to" and "do" is the same. "Are you going TO or FROM work?" "I DO want to go to town".
The non emphasised ones are also the same "Are you going to WALK or DRIVE?" "Do you want TEA or COFFEE?"
Slight differences are individual pronunciation rather than actually phonological i.e. they don't alter the meaning.

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/07/2026 14:33

BeanNaGealai · 31/07/2026 14:30

I would have pronounced it as shire with a d at the end. As in Lord of the Rings shire. I'm off to google what a shirred dress is and see do I need one.

Definitely rhymes with bird. (Sewist here although that's another can of worms).

BeanNaGealai · 31/07/2026 14:34

BeanNaGealai · 31/07/2026 14:30

I would have pronounced it as shire with a d at the end. As in Lord of the Rings shire. I'm off to google what a shirred dress is and see do I need one.

Hmm. They could potentially work on me. I need to start practicing the pronunciation now.

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/07/2026 14:34

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 31/07/2026 14:03

Ugh, I have a lot of trouble trying to work this out, too.

Wouldn't it be easier if the clocks didn't go backwards and forwards at all?

The UK ran a three-year trial from 1968 to 1971 called British Standard Time, where clocks were put forward in spring 1968 and not put back until October 1971. The test kept the UK on GMT+1 all year, resulting in longer summer-like evenings but very dark winter mornings.

BeanNaGealai · 31/07/2026 14:35

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/07/2026 14:33

Definitely rhymes with bird. (Sewist here although that's another can of worms).

I'm not doubting it at all. It's just a term I had never heard before. If asked I would have referred to the dresses with the elasticy stuff in the bodice (I do know that word).

ButterChurn · 31/07/2026 14:37

38thparallel · 31/07/2026 13:20

@CurlewKate what do you think of the Education Secretary’s views that primary school spelling tests are ‘too obscure’?
Do you think the spelling tests should be easier?

I know you didn’t ask me but I would like to respond if that’s okay?
There is a woman on Instagram who advocates for children’s literacy. She compared an original copy of ‘Elmer’ to a modern day version. The original copy has a lot more text, they have removed large quantities of writing in favour of more pictures. She was saying that this isn’t uncommon, some publishers are deliberately dumbing down our children’s books. But why? I can’t understand it. Why would spelling tests now be too obscure? Why have we now decided this? I cannot fathom why we are simplifying language to the point of loss. Not good for our upcoming generations, surely? All so bizarre. I appreciate that we have different levels of learning and ability but surely then you work with that.

Edit: typo issues. I have chubby digits
and I don’t catch every mistake. Why would my phone think I want to write cooper instead of copy?

AgnesX · 31/07/2026 14:37

EBearhug · 31/07/2026 13:03

No they're not. They're not even the same in my own voice all the time - to can vary between tuh and too, depending on the surrounding words. I mean, it's all sounding weird to me just now, because I have been muttering to myself to see how I say things, so I could just be talking bollocks now. But I can imagine saying, "I am going tuh the zoo, too," but, "no, I said I am going too the zoo from the shops," for emphasis.

Vowels often change between different accents.

Thankyou for providing a change in earworm. I'm going to the zoo, zoo, zoo, you can come come too" (except I'm not really)!

Happy Friday 😁

Waitingfordoggo · 31/07/2026 14:39

CurlewKate · 31/07/2026 14:17

I don’t know what the words are. Are they obscure?Generally speaking, though, I think being able to spell is a good idea. I have a child who has spelling as a superpower- when asked, he says “I just look at the word in my head and spell it.”

He sounds great.

That’s the strategy I use for spelling too, I don’t ’sound it out’. If it’s one I’m not sure about, I close my eyes so I can ‘see’ it better. This is why reading can be so important for spelling!

FlapperFlamingo · 31/07/2026 14:44

I have a great tip for recovering pedants: learn another language and you’ll then be more lenient. That’s what happened to me anyway. For full effect something like Mandarin or Hindi with a different script is best!

NameChangedBecauseItsOuting · 31/07/2026 15:28

BitOutOfPractice · 31/07/2026 12:38

Yes, I know. I get that bit. But will it be lighter in the evening or the morning? Riddle me that! That's the bit that's been patiently explianed to me, time and agaian. "So yesterday it got light at 8am, and now the clocks have done their thing. What was 8am yesterday will be 3:30 tomorrow, so it'll be lighter in the...blah blah blah." I cannot make my brain work it out.

I find this the easy bit. The word spring makes me think of sunshine, cute baby animals and happy looking trees. So my head just knows spring = lighter. Autumn is the opposite, that makes me think of cold and dark.

Knowing what day of the week it is today is where I fall apart 😂

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/07/2026 15:32

Waitingfordoggo · 31/07/2026 14:39

He sounds great.

That’s the strategy I use for spelling too, I don’t ’sound it out’. If it’s one I’m not sure about, I close my eyes so I can ‘see’ it better. This is why reading can be so important for spelling!

Same.

TheOcelot · 31/07/2026 15:37

What's the cure for pedantry please?
Not only did I marry a pedant but I've raised two of them as well. Adult DC are even worse pendants than their parents.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 31/07/2026 16:12

TheOcelot · 31/07/2026 15:37

What's the cure for pedantry please?
Not only did I marry a pedant but I've raised two of them as well. Adult DC are even worse pendants than their parents.

Pendants?

CurlewKate · 31/07/2026 16:15

Waitingfordoggo · 31/07/2026 14:39

He sounds great.

That’s the strategy I use for spelling too, I don’t ’sound it out’. If it’s one I’m not sure about, I close my eyes so I can ‘see’ it better. This is why reading can be so important for spelling!

He is the child who when I said “That’s not what I said!!” replied “Well, that’s what I inferred!!”
It’s genetic.

OP posts:
MagpiePi · 31/07/2026 16:29

i read that as ‘hen-doe’ because around Sheffield ‘hendo’, or more commonly ’Hendo’s’ refers to Henderson’s Relish. And yes, it does have the apostrophe on the label.

My name is CurlewKate and I am a recovering pedant….
PatriciaRocks · 31/07/2026 16:32

MagpiePi · 31/07/2026 16:29

i read that as ‘hen-doe’ because around Sheffield ‘hendo’, or more commonly ’Hendo’s’ refers to Henderson’s Relish. And yes, it does have the apostrophe on the label.

Yes, I said that upthread.
I also commented on the irritating sign!

MagpiePi · 31/07/2026 16:45

Waitingfordoggo · 31/07/2026 14:39

He sounds great.

That’s the strategy I use for spelling too, I don’t ’sound it out’. If it’s one I’m not sure about, I close my eyes so I can ‘see’ it better. This is why reading can be so important for spelling!

I still have to write ei/ie (like grief/ chief/ conceit) words down to see which way looks right. (I got two of them wrong first time then!)

sorrynotathome · 31/07/2026 16:47

dizzydizzydizzy · 31/07/2026 07:40

I was at primary school in the 1970s and I wonder if it wad unfashionable to learn to spell back then. I only got to grips with spelling in the late 80s when I was a student and got my first computer (with a spellchecker).

I too was at primary school in the 70's and never had a spelling test. However I've always been an avid reader and enjoy writing, so I think my SPAG excellence (if I do say so myself!) probably comes from that.

maxslice · 31/07/2026 17:26

MotherPooperior · 31/07/2026 06:34

Yes! I've seen "hen doo" on here loads of times and been a bit wtf every time Confused

Where I’m from, “doo”
is sometimes a synonym for poo. Dog doo, bird doo, etc.

maxslice · 31/07/2026 17:44

Seymour5 · 31/07/2026 07:11

Now I’m puzzled. I do agree English is tricky, but I thought to, too and two all sound the same, hence some confusion.

I am going to the zoo
I hope Lou is going too
We can have a drink or two
Take the bus? I’m hoping to.

When I read this to, too and two all sound the same.

Same to me too! BTW, Dr. Seuss has a book titled: THE TOUGH COUGHS AS HE PLOUGHS THE DOUGH.

TheOcelot · 31/07/2026 17:51

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 31/07/2026 16:12

Pendants?

Arg. I went back and corrected it twice!

Seymour5 · 31/07/2026 18:01

sorrynotathome · 31/07/2026 16:47

I too was at primary school in the 70's and never had a spelling test. However I've always been an avid reader and enjoy writing, so I think my SPAG excellence (if I do say so myself!) probably comes from that.

Spelling tests were routine in the 1950s when I was at school. Useful in the days when working in an office necessitated using pen and paper and manual typewriters.

Ump · 31/07/2026 19:33

BitOutOfPractice · 31/07/2026 10:13

How are you pronouncing it in your head though? Emphasis on the ‘hen’? ‘Do” like dough? I do hope so because that’s how I’m thinking of it now too.

Yes - hendough😊

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