No id aged 48, no entry.

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Decided to carry the night on last night after a friend's party ended.

My 48 year old partner and I were turned away from 2 bars as he didn't have any physical id. My driving license and a scanned copy of his passport wasn't good enough. He hasn't carried his driving license for years since he put his cards on his phone. It was rare that I had my purse on me.

We laughed hard at the ridiculousness of it all as he definitely looks over 40. But seriously? Why scan my driving licence to let me into a bar? They don't need my personal details.

It wasn't even London, it was Reading. Not exactly a cultural hotspot!

Having read it, I don't think I'd go there.

I got asked for ID last year. Apparently they couldn't tell how old I was due to poor lighting. They just saw the 19 and let me in no problem. They genuinely thought I was late teens/early twenties apparently and needed evidence I was over 18.

I was more concerned I was with two men, one clearly over fifty (he's over 60) and the other clearly over 30 (late forties), yet they had no issue with a suspected teen going into a pub with two mature men 😂.

My husband was ask for ID in a football stadium in New York. I had taken him there for his 50th birthday. He didn’t have any on him so the elderly gentlemen that ask said just show me something from your pocket for the camera and it will be fine. He was delighted and is still telling anyone who will listen.

Lots of venues do this now. Door staff told me it for fire /event safety. If there is a terrible event then they can identify people easily.

It's not about age, it's quite literally about ID, so they know who's in their premises.

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I've never been cool, so I wasn't aware of this. OK if they legally have to, but I wouldn't want to go to an establishment that was considered so ropey and trouble so commonplace that they had to personally monitor all of the customers and register their details.

Is it based on late opening hours, or location, or just if the council reckon the business is very probably going to become a dodgy antisocial hotspot? If the latter, I'm amazed they don't just turn down the licence application in the first place.

I think the fact that they were asking for it would indicate to me that it clearly isn't the establishment for me. I just hope Asda aren't going to start demanding to see and photograph my driving licence before they'll let me in to get some bread and milk.

Isn't the fact that they want to keep everyone inside safe, by excluding people who might have reasons no one should know they were there, a good thing?

I got ID'd in a bar in the US last year. I was 38 and more than happy to show them my driving licence! I don't understand why people don't just carry their ID. It's not difficult.

I kind of get the rationale; but it still seems to me like a clear admission that it's a high-risk place that attracts a large amount of undesirables.

I personally prefer the norm that we assume good intentions on the part of people using businesses, with maybe a system to instantly bar people who have previously proven themselves to be troublemakers.

Isn't it purely an age thing in the USA, though - with a law/culture that excludes any allowance for common sense, and so every single person is automatically asked for ID, whether a young-looking 26yo or somebody who is obviously of great-grandparent age?

Silly as that is, I wouldn't personally have an issue with that - I suppose because it's perfectly normal, lawful and without any shame to be aged under 18; whereas being a hooligan/aggressor/troublemaker/criminal very much isn't.

It seems a bit silly, and it's rubbish that you can't have an impromptu night out if you don't have ID on you at your age.

DH and I are in our 30s and we went out in town recently (first time in about 10 years) and didn't get asked for ID at any club or bar. I was expecting to need it but we were just waved through. Maybe we looked ancient next to all the 20-somethings.

DH got id'd in US age 54 when buying wine for friends . He had his passport which caused a bit of a problem . Birthday is 29/04 and the cashier couldn't work out how he was born in the 29th month. Had to find a manager who understood that UK write dates differently and noticed the month is written

I was surprised by this when trying to get in a cocktail bar in Canary Wharf. I usually just go to pubs. The door guy was lovely but insistent. So we just went to another place. I am 60 years old 🥲

How odd. I’ve never once been ID’d in the UK - it was unheard of when I was a teenager/twentysomething in the 80s and 90s. Got IDd all the time when I lived in the US. I don’t carry any ID as a matter of course, just my phone usually.

I think it's overreach to keep that data for at least 31 days and to potentially send it abroad. There's a whole list of things they "may" decide to use your data for in their privacy policy.

I'd be happy for them to check that I'm over 18 and to compare my id with a known list of people not allowed in the venue, but not for them to store everybody's on the offchance.

I appreciate that it's their private venue and they can (pretty much) put any conditions on entry that they want so if that means I'm not allowed in then fair enough. I think they should be more transparent about what they're doing before they take the data, but presumably that's up to someone to challenge that if they want.

There could be a fire/terrible event anywhere but we don't hand over our personal id documents for tracking every time we go to the cinema or a restaurant or the supermarket.

Combining and sharing information from different sources can be very powerful and lead to a huge invasion of privacy, and that's without any data breaches.

Would this be the Purple Turtle by any chance? I have friends who are well into retirement and still need ID to get in there!

Some places license conditions state that everyone must have ID to be on the premises. This is common in Brighton.

That's the reply I had from McCaffertys. It's in the terms of their late license.

Interesting. If they have a privacy policy I can't find it on the website. Did they also want to scan id or just see them?

Interesting, never had this in Brighton - I regularly go to gigs at the Hope and Ruin, Caroline of Brunswick, Pipeline, Concorde 2 etc.