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What is it like to live in Scandinavia?

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Glitterbiscuits · 04/07/2026 13:37

DH and I are having a debate.

He says Scandinavian countries are the most developed socially, economically and in regard to the environment, equality, etc. He assumes there is not much poverty or homelessness in Scandinavian countries. He thinks the high taxes leads to good public services such as transport.

Is his positive view justified?

OP posts:
orzo15 · 07/07/2026 14:15

I am from the uk and live in Copenhagen. I am a single parent and I have a much easier life than I imagine I would being a single parent in the U.K. I pay 250 a month full time childcare as i get a single parent discount. It’s culturally normal to leave the office at 3pm to pick your kids up so i get to spend a few hours in the evening with my son. My commute is a 25 minute cycle. There’s lots to do as it’s a capital city and children as very integrated into society here which is nice. My son will be going to a forest school kindergarten next year where everyday they drive from the kindergarten in the city to their kindergarten in the countryside and spend the whole day outside doing lots of wholesome activities like harvesting honey from bees, growing vegetables etc.

its a pretty homogeneous culture. Not sure if I will get bored long term here, been 6 years so far. There’s lots I miss about the U.K. but this for me is a great place to raise a child.

I am also very curious to know where the poster said they would not walk at night. I suspect they are talking about some of the suburbs which we wouldn’t really class as Copenhagen. Because in 6 years living here there’s no where in the city I find unsafe!

TabbyM · 07/07/2026 14:41

My brother lives in Sweden - there were gang related shootings in a very naice suburb, lots of teens being recruited as footsoldiers

Gangland wars killing dozens of bystanders, report Swedish police | Crime News | Al Jazeera BBC did a good programme on this a year or so ago.

Also after Balkan wars grenades given as freebies by arms dealers, lots of restaurants blown up.

Generally safe out and about though growing far right anti-immigration sentiment - lots of asylum centres torched and we once got abuse shouted at us in a suburban street (albeit by a guy whose house had been raided by polis* according to my brother). People are less chatty at bus stops compared to Scotland.

*this is what they are called in Sweden which is endlessly amusing if you were born in Scotland.

Can't comment on Denmark/Norway/Finland.

Gangland wars killing dozens of bystanders, report Swedish police

Gangland wars killing dozens of bystanders, report Swedish police

Deaths due to gang violence included people hit by stray bullets, cases of mistaken identity, and relatives of gang members.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/5/4/gangland-wars-killing-dozens-of-bystanders-report-swedish-police

banivani · 07/07/2026 15:00

Can’t answer for all of Scandinavia but can answer for Sweden.

Let’s say you decide to live in one of the bigger towns but not the four biggest. Housing is cheaper but depending on where you are that can vary a lot. The other option is renting a flat or buying a flat in a housing association. The latter demands more involvement with the running of the building in some form, but could be that you’re just expected to help clean the yard once a year and turn up to some meetings. If you live in flats you normally have a communal laundry in the building. You book a laundry time and often people do a week of washing once a week. People who, mumsnet style, need to change clothes twice a day and wash them after will prob have their own machine.

It’s normal to live in a flat even with children. The communal outside areas will have a playground, maybe a barbecue area. However the smaller the town the bigger the expectation is that you will want a house especially with children, so some societal pressure. Swedes like conformity.

Outside the biggest cities it’s very uncommon to not have a car, even if public transport is quite decent. Definitely an expectation that you drive. A particular thing for Sweden is that kids from 15 can drive sort of provisionally in a vehicle that is capped from going faster than I think 30 kph. It’s deemed almost essential in v rural areas so they can get around but the law is the same everywhere. They drive around a lot at night and do meet-ups and play loud (vulgar) music. V much something for Swedes to argue about.

If you’re a couple you both work. Your children go to preschool until 6, when they start a ”preschool” class at school before starting school properly at 7. Preschool teachers are university educated. If you’re on parental leave the elder sibling can only go for maybe 15 hours/week.

Preschool is open from maybe 7-17. Esp if your middle class-ish there is pressure to not have your kids there long hours. You have a right to work a shorter week while you’re children are small. You are also allowed to stay home with them when they are sick. The state compensates you for pay loss on those days. For parents with small kids there are endless negotiations on who has to take the ”vab”. If you can afford it you try to stretch parental leave so your children start preschool as late as possible, and save days (which you can do until they are 8) so you can extend your holidays for those years. Summer vacation is ten weeks and by law AL is 25 days so you want to cover the rest. But kids go to the school wrap around care for the summer if the parents work.

When children start school the hours can be 8.15 to 13.30 (trying to remember). There is wrap around care at the school for before and after.

Both preschool and school serve hot lunches and they are really good, honestly.

I think it’s hard to make friends in Sweden, because people are quite reserved. People often know who they know, like. But if you’re from the UK you won’t be expecting to be invited home to colleagues for dinner, I think cultures are similar there. We don’t pop down the pub after work for a pint, but have invented the concept of ”after work”, AW for short, where we arrange to go out after work and hang out instead. Take advantage of this to get to know people better. If you have kids a good tip is to get them into sports the Swedish way through clubs/associations, where you as a parent have to contribute with your time and effort. It’s a good way to meet other parents and if you get involved properly that’s a lot of social life sorted. But this goes for you too, start a hobby/sport through a club and be prepared to volunteer a bit of your time.

You have to learn the language to ”get in”. Being English speaking is an advantage, it’s higher status and you’ll be the right kind of foreigner. People will be able to communicate with you in English, but you’re always on the outside without Swedish. And swedes are very judgey about how proficient foreigners are. Outside of big cities people do small talk and are very willing to chat. In big cities people are more useless 🙄

We don’t do school uniforms and dress codes, generally. Less pressure on having to look acceptable/a certain way when it comes to hair being done or makeup. We don’t really care if a preschool age child turns up in unbrushed hair now and then, for example, and kids live in leggings and t-shirts until they’re like 5.

However imo there is a low tolerance of diversity like hijab wearing. Weird think is that people stop caring once they get to know someone but they can be so nervous and standoffish until they do.

god this got super long I’ll stop now 😂

comoatoupeira · 07/07/2026 22:32

What an interesting post @banivani

TempestTost · 08/07/2026 02:46

Ballotine · 07/07/2026 06:04

It’s only a downside if you want to be economically inactive. I mean, surely it’s obvious that in a high-taxation country which provides a lot for its citizens with that tax, every individual’s economic contribution is valued, hence being a SAHP isnt!

Some people do in fact want to take care of their own children.

I think not recognising that as valuable work suggests a regressive society.

Chocolatefreak · 08/07/2026 04:16

I hâve Finnish family. Quality of life, public services - especially education - vastly superior. Excellent childcare. They have far better protection for women’s rights and subsequently women are financially more stable and very well represented in decision making positions. The tax policy makes perfect sense. Other Nordic countries are similar. They’re all Nordic by the way - but only Norway Sweden Denmark are Scandi.

it’s true they’re all pretty racist though. And the darkness in winter is depressing!

ChipswithMayonnaise · 08/07/2026 10:36

The Finnish language has no gendered pronouns at all. Everyone is an it.

Natsku · 08/07/2026 11:04

ChipswithMayonnaise · 08/07/2026 10:36

The Finnish language has no gendered pronouns at all. Everyone is an it.

Technically everyone is a singular them as there's a different word for it, that's used for animals and objects but in reality people use it for people and them for animals

ChipswithMayonnaise · 08/07/2026 11:10

Natsku · 08/07/2026 11:04

Technically everyone is a singular them as there's a different word for it, that's used for animals and objects but in reality people use it for people and them for animals

A few languages are genderless in this way.
Interesting that it correlates to such an equal society in Finland.

Crikeyalmighty · 08/07/2026 14:57

orzo15 · 07/07/2026 14:15

I am from the uk and live in Copenhagen. I am a single parent and I have a much easier life than I imagine I would being a single parent in the U.K. I pay 250 a month full time childcare as i get a single parent discount. It’s culturally normal to leave the office at 3pm to pick your kids up so i get to spend a few hours in the evening with my son. My commute is a 25 minute cycle. There’s lots to do as it’s a capital city and children as very integrated into society here which is nice. My son will be going to a forest school kindergarten next year where everyday they drive from the kindergarten in the city to their kindergarten in the countryside and spend the whole day outside doing lots of wholesome activities like harvesting honey from bees, growing vegetables etc.

its a pretty homogeneous culture. Not sure if I will get bored long term here, been 6 years so far. There’s lots I miss about the U.K. but this for me is a great place to raise a child.

I am also very curious to know where the poster said they would not walk at night. I suspect they are talking about some of the suburbs which we wouldn’t really class as Copenhagen. Because in 6 years living here there’s no where in the city I find unsafe!

Aw - I so miss living in lovely CPH - could just fancy a soft ice dipped in cocoa powder and a trip to Baaken or Dragor right now!!

Ballotine · 08/07/2026 15:12

TempestTost · 08/07/2026 02:46

Some people do in fact want to take care of their own children.

I think not recognising that as valuable work suggests a regressive society.

It has no economic value, though, which is what we are talking about in societies which impose a comparatively high tax burden to fund government spending on universal healthcare, parental leave, education, child and elderly care. Which obviously requires a high level of economic participation from the population. You looking after your own child rather than using childcare limits your ability to participate in the workforce, therefore limits your contribution to public spending. .

igelkott2026 · 08/07/2026 15:41

I remember thinking how good looking the Norwegians were when I was last there. I also thought it was a really well organised country and wanted to live there.

I also loved Finland because they had so many strawberries and they were much cheaper than in the UK but I don't know if that is still the case. And you can swim in the lakes without worrying about swallowing something horrible.

But ultimately nowhere is perfect and each country has its pluses and downsides (well not sure Afghanistan has any upsides currently).

igelkott2026 · 08/07/2026 15:44

There's a couple of good books by the way, one is The Year of Living Danishly and A Year in Kronoberg though both are a few years old now and the author of the Danish one has since returned to the UK.

Crikeyalmighty · 08/07/2026 16:03

Ballotine · 08/07/2026 15:12

It has no economic value, though, which is what we are talking about in societies which impose a comparatively high tax burden to fund government spending on universal healthcare, parental leave, education, child and elderly care. Which obviously requires a high level of economic participation from the population. You looking after your own child rather than using childcare limits your ability to participate in the workforce, therefore limits your contribution to public spending. .

Exactly and hence why I commented below I saw suprisingly little activity in Copenhagen when we lived there for those with very little ones wanting to be SAHMs or do a bit of very part time- it’s not something everyone in uk would like or go for and I do get that -we didn’t go with any kids at home, but certainly it would have suited me personally if I had very small children as I’m not a SAHM - you do get quite long maternity leave though on good terms there -

Crikeyalmighty · 08/07/2026 16:04

igelkott2026 · 08/07/2026 15:44

There's a couple of good books by the way, one is The Year of Living Danishly and A Year in Kronoberg though both are a few years old now and the author of the Danish one has since returned to the UK.

Lovely Helen - used to read all her stuff when we lived there

orzo15 · 08/07/2026 20:33

Crikeyalmighty · 08/07/2026 14:57

Aw - I so miss living in lovely CPH - could just fancy a soft ice dipped in cocoa powder and a trip to Baaken or Dragor right now!!

been to both of these places in the last few weeks! Copenhagen is a magical place in the summer time

Crikeyalmighty · 09/07/2026 12:30

orzo15 · 08/07/2026 20:33

been to both of these places in the last few weeks! Copenhagen is a magical place in the summer time

Yep it really is - we had good weather too when we lived there - only had 1 summer, 2 winters

Lunde · 09/07/2026 13:22

Natsku · 07/07/2026 13:32

My bloke's brother used to make kilju, which is a sugar wine, as a teenager when he was too young to buy booze. The old ways still carry on.

The law has eased slightly now that the law on Gårdsförsäljning (Farm selling) has come into effect. It means that artisanal producers can sell limited amounts direct to the public but only at the place of production (they can't, for example, set up a stall/shop in the local town). I mean the previous law was ridiculous - my local artisan brewery ran tours but couldn't sell visitors any beer!

The max allowed is
1 bottle of spirits
4 bottles of wine
9 (?) standard cans of beer 33cl
9 standard cans of other yeasted drinks

Sales must occur between 10am and 8pm

... my local brewery has gone into liqueurs 😉

Natsku · 09/07/2026 13:38

How on earth did they come up with the 9 can limit??

Lunde · 09/07/2026 13:49

banivani · 07/07/2026 15:00
Can’t answer for all of Scandinavia but can answer for Sweden.
Outside the biggest cities it’s very uncommon to not have a car, even if public transport is quite decent. Definitely an expectation that you drive. A particular thing for Sweden is that kids from 15 can drive sort of provisionally in a vehicle that is capped from going faster than I think 30 kph. It’s deemed almost essential in v rural areas so they can get around but the law is the same everywhere. They drive around a lot at night and do meet-ups and play loud (vulgar) music. V much something for Swedes to argue about.

Public transport has really declined in rural Sweden. In my area you need to walk 2km to the nearest bus stop and even then the last bus leaves town just before 5 pm - so useless for teens going out.

The speed limited cars have exploded in recent years - they are either an ordinary vehicles that have been converted or purpose built "moped cars" that are like a 2 seater Smart car. The girl over the road drove a huge pick-up truck.

Nights out always require a designated driver because the Swedish drink driving limit is a quarter of the UK limit with a legal blood alcohol content (BAC) limit of 0.02% (equivalent to 0.2 per mille or 0.10 milligrams of alcohol per litre of exhaled breath).

Preschool is open from maybe 7-17. Esp if your middle class-ish there is pressure to not have your kids there long hours. You have a right to work a shorter week while you’re children are small. You are also allowed to stay home with them when they are sick. The state compensates you for pay loss on those days. For parents with small kids there are endless negotiations on who has to take the ”vab”. If you can afford it you try to stretch parental leave so your children start preschool as late as possible, and save days (which you can do until they are 8) so you can extend your holidays for those years. Summer vacation is ten weeks and by law AL is 25 days so you want to cover the rest. But kids go to the school wrap around care for the summer if the parents work.

Pre school hours seem to vary to cover needs of local employers - in my (rural, small town) the hours were 6.30 am until 6pm to suit the needs of hospital/commuter parents.

You local authority is obliged to find you a childcare within a reasonable time - 3 months I think. It can be at a nursery or childminder.

Wrap around care is also required by law and must be available in the holidays with the cost capped - max £80 per month or 2% of salary. The fee includes breakfast, lunch and snacks. It is usually open for a couple of hours before school and until around 6pm. School can often end at lunchtime (when dd1 was in year 1 twice a week her school day ended at "lunch" - 9.45 )

kids live in leggings and t-shirts until they’re like 5.
TBH it's more like 10-12 in northern, rural areas because of the constraints of having to get in and out of snowsuits for most of the school year

Lunde · 09/07/2026 13:52

TempestTost · 08/07/2026 02:46

Some people do in fact want to take care of their own children.

I think not recognising that as valuable work suggests a regressive society.

There isn't a problem staying home - you just pay for it yourself.

The state focuses its support on workers (like the UK does with tax-free childcare and 30 free hours for workers) - although I admit it smarts a bit that as a disability pensioner I pay a higher tax rate!

Lunde · 09/07/2026 13:56

Crikeyalmighty · 08/07/2026 14:57

Aw - I so miss living in lovely CPH - could just fancy a soft ice dipped in cocoa powder and a trip to Baaken or Dragor right now!!

I lived in Denmark as well - loved the beaches and those horse carriage rides around the park at Baaken.

Did you ever have one of those ice creams where the smush a marshmallow teacake into the icecream and smother it with whipped cream, sauce and nuts?

Lunde · 09/07/2026 13:56

Natsku · 09/07/2026 13:38

How on earth did they come up with the 9 can limit??

They cam up with a 3 litre limit - which is 9 cans 😂

Natsku · 09/07/2026 13:59

Ahh that makes sense.

Finland is going to allow home delivery of alcohol next year, that is a big change!

Crikeyalmighty · 09/07/2026 16:08

Lunde · 09/07/2026 13:56

I lived in Denmark as well - loved the beaches and those horse carriage rides around the park at Baaken.

Did you ever have one of those ice creams where the smush a marshmallow teacake into the icecream and smother it with whipped cream, sauce and nuts?

Oh yes - I came back from Copenhagen 2 stone heavier - partly covid time but partly I think through ice creams , lagkakhuset ( ole and steens in uk) and the cheese and ham focaccias from espresso house