How stupid are Labour MPs?!

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One after the other on the BBC this morning, all but one patting themselves on the back and almost dancing for how clever they are that they're forcing Starmer to resign so that Burnham will be coronated the new PM.

They all think they've got the new Boris.

Maybe he is, but it didn't work out very well for him - or for us - did it?

Starmer stood for leader once, won by a landslide, and then won a landslide general election. Burnham has stood for leader twice before, and got trounced both times. Winning a mayoral election in a Labour heartland is hardly a remarkable achievement.

They all seem to think Burnham will unite the left, but he hasn't given one policy idea that will appeal to left wing voters.

Starmer is a decent man. I don't regret voting for him. Burnham is an actor who says anything that he thinks will make him popular. I know who I'd rather have.

He changed because there was a change in public opinion. I totally agree. However, I much prefer this than to him clinging on to his previous views - that I disagreed with.
What is more, I think there is no point 'knowing what a women is' if you dont support them.
I think there is 0 chance he will revoke equality legislation. The likely alternative have stated what they will do.
Politics to me is far from picking your ideal. It is about picking who is the best of the bunch available.

& I prefer bland vague things, to things i vehemently oppose (see reform).

I think Starmer is a decent, hard-working, intelligent man with a lot of integrity. But unfortunately those qualities are not the only things that matter in politics. A PM needs to be a good leader too, who can inspire his MPs and the general public to follow him. Sadly Starmer just does not seem to have the charisma to be a leader.
Burnham seems to have the charisma; we’ll just have to hope he has all the other necessary qualities too.

I think Starmer is a decent, hard-working, intelligent man with a lot of integrity.

I'd vote for this in terms of Leadership qualities over "charisma" all day long.

If you say so @BandyUrnham

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Most don’t see him that way. There’s not enough who see him as you do.

I agree. Sadly Starmer should have inspired his backbenchers or explained to them more firmly why he was doing what he was doing. They had him over a barrel almost as soon as he'd become PM, and he couldn't inspire them or persuade them that he was right. Then now he is crippled with indecision, they say hes crippled with indecision. Well, when he made decisions they played silly buggers and refused to back him. You can't vote with another party when your government puts forward its first budget without facing any consequences. The Labour Party are entirely to blame for this. CLP and PLP.

Brexit is an example of what happens when people vote for the 'media personality' and not for the politician.

Next general election Labour will be out for the rest of my life.

We may be at cross purposes. If so, my apologies. But I thought you were saying that the right-wing press (and the mainstream media generally) is overwhelming, influencing people cynically and is responsible, or significantly so, for Labour’s appalling reputation.

If you are saying that, I think it’s wrong and foolish.

If you’re not saying that, but that the right-wing press is more popular and more enjoyable than the left-wing press, I agree.

So what? I don’t mind a PM being wooden. I’m sure charisma would help him but it’s hardly a key skill for running a country.

Labour ridiculed Major for being a wooden, grey man. Funny how things change.

We disagree, but you do not accurately describe my views. People see the world differently.

How the media (from all political standpoints) represents the world influences peoples views. They choose what to report snd how to report it. In the main we aren't there so the world is represented through their lens.

That’s all very woolly.

How did Labour get in, then, what with the media brain-washed masses?

I think someone from Home Office suggested a law that if majority party want to change their leader they should call GE. I absolutely support this.

I think Starmer should call GE and then resign. And see if Andy has mandate.

'Media brainwashed masses'? I havent said anything like this and wouldnt refer to people in that way. These are your words not mine.
I just explained that commercial media of all political standpoints curates what and how it reports events. We receive a lot of information about the world through an editorial len. I dont think this is controversial, but obviously you may disagree.
I dont think it is fruitful to get into a backwards and forwards argument. It derails the thread & i think both our views are clear from our previous posts. We dont agree, but such is life. On a more pragmatic point, i am halfway through making the tea and am planning to eat it with a beer in the garden shortly. Let's just agree to disagree.

Yes, it has been good to have him represent this country internationally - he has done very well in that way. Some of the previous leaders - Johnson, Truss were embarrassing to be the UK's PM abroad. Sunak and then Starmer were so much better.

Bollocks. You clearly do not understand the other side.

I remember it was Spitting Image: "pass the peas, Norma". But, thanks, he is a good example - when he said recently that it isn't good for the country to keep changing PMs - people listen to him however they vote. He is respected more than the more "charismatic" leaders ...

Fair point! I did say ‘a mandate of sorts’ 😁 but expressed myself badly - I meant at least he didn’t beat Reform only by the skin of his teeth, and was the clear winner in the by election.

That is a matter of opinion and I don't rate yours.

Very well put, completely agree with you. What’s that expression - hoisted by their own petard?

Of course you don’t @BandyUrnham as I’m one of the uneducated gammon.

If you say so, @ExitPursuedByABare .