How stupid are Labour MPs?!

[JoyousOpalLemur]

One after the other on the BBC this morning, all but one patting themselves on the back and almost dancing for how clever they are that they're forcing Starmer to resign so that Burnham will be coronated the new PM.

They all think they've got the new Boris.

Maybe he is, but it didn't work out very well for him - or for us - did it?

Starmer stood for leader once, won by a landslide, and then won a landslide general election. Burnham has stood for leader twice before, and got trounced both times. Winning a mayoral election in a Labour heartland is hardly a remarkable achievement.

They all seem to think Burnham will unite the left, but he hasn't given one policy idea that will appeal to left wing voters.

Starmer is a decent man. I don't regret voting for him. Burnham is an actor who says anything that he thinks will make him popular. I know who I'd rather have.

Similar to the Tory MPs who came to regret Rishi pushing out Boris. Boris would probably have won the 2024 GE but Rishi threw it all away giving Starmer a landslide victory despite not getting many more votes than Corbyn in the 2019 election where Boris won by a landslide.

Agree.

I liked Starmer initially and thought him the best choice of leader at the time, but he has been a big disappointment, and even when he has tried to do something has been hamstrung by his own idiot MPs.

I don’t like Burnham and I don’t like the way this whole crisis has been handled, but I do think the fact that he won a big majority in the by-election gives him a mandate of sorts, and has taken the wind out of Reform’s sails a little bit, which is nice.

I think the right wing press is poised to abandon Farage and start backing Badenoch. I think Farage might have peaked. 🤞

The alternative to playing Leader Switcheroo, is facing the reality - the vast majority of the electorate hate what they are doing to the country.

AB and the Mainstream movement will take Labour in a very different direction than they were elected under, (even if the Manifesto was fiction) I hope they have the bottle to call a GE.

Readership of the Express is about 1/50th of the Guardian.

Very few people buy newspapers anymore, it's all about websites.

And Big Tech favours certain websites over others, which is why 4 of the UK's 5 biggest news websites are either left wing or establishment left.

You don't think the guardian and independent are left wing?

Methinks you are not a Labour supporter @JoyousOpalLemur

No.

I'm definitely not anymore - I'm disgusted by what their MPs have done / are doing.

I totally regret voting for them.

I'm politically homeless.

Edit: Should add - if the Labour MPs don't force him out then I won't regret my vote. But it's clear that's not going to happen.

I know the person who stood as the Tory candidate in the constituency where I live and that person is not an intellectual.

To answer your question, OP, if the two MPs I know are representative, they're thick as mince.

I have nothing against Burnham, I was a Labour party member, I voted for him last time he stood for leadership.

This time... come on. Swap one decent middle class middle aged white bloke for another one? WHY? It's not just pointless, it's dangerous. The voters might well turn off completely and vote Reform.

I wish I could say that I wouldn't blame them, but TBH I would. Most of them have learned absolutely nothing from Brexit and would happily throw their lot behind those stooges all over again.

It's actually frightening.

You're seriously saying The Guardian is right wing?

Radical realism is the belief that big change is possible - and the commitment to make it both practical and popular. It means setting out how citizens, the state, civil society, and our Party can work hand in hand to transform our society for the better.

From their mission statement.

But Burnham changes his mind constantly on what's real.

https://sex-matters.org/media-coverage/andy-burnham-backs-men-who-identify-as-female-using-womens-toilets/

He is a snake and not to be trusted.

Anybody who thinks the popular UK media and press is overwhelming left wing is misinformed. The Mail & the Telegraph & The Sun have large online readerships. They are not left wing.

They Tories did win another by-election on Thursday. They might not be gone.

So what? People read them, and in print, because they like them. If more people liked the Guardian it would be more than Unison’s and university teachers’ in-house journal.

You can’t blame a free press and the BBC (which is hardly right-wing) for exposing the uselessness of Starmer and Labour.

@Owlbookend , the pp said "Most of the biggest news websites and apps in this country are left wing or establishment left these days, like the BBC, Guardian, Sky News and Independent."

Unless Andy Burnham can literally shit cash I don’t see what he can do that will please the people that are bored of Starmer.

Made me laugh 😂. And so true!

Sunak didn't push Johnson out. Johnson did that himself with his breathtaking lies, laziness, corruption and stupidity in office. He was so toxic he'd have had no chance in 2024. And recent poll results suggest it'll be the Tories who are not given a chance again for a very very long time.

I will be so disappointed if Sir Keir resigns. He’s a steady hand and after the absolute shitshow of the Tory Party and their revolving PM’s, we do not need it again. I really hope he makes the right decision.

Labour MPs have ousted Starmer because they think Burnham will produce better electoral results. It is that simple. People don’t want politics to be a popularity contest, but it is. If you aren’t in power politics is a talking shop and you are impotent. Reform are well placed to win the election. MPs think Burnham will give them a better chance because Starmer (& Labour more genuinely) are hugely unpopular. We will never know if they are right in believing this because we can’t know what would have happened if they stuck with Starmer.

They won a by-election in an area where the Tories' policies on oil and gas maximisation would have a big effect. The SNP has had a lot of bad publicity because of Peter Murrell.

This is just cherry picking sites to fit with an argument. Where people get their media from is very difficult to measure. Also stating these sites are left wing does not make it fact. It is an opinion.

And? Burnham won in Makerfield because he ran for the Andy Burnham Party, not because Labour’s popular.

TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if he loses the seat if he turns out to be a terrible PM.

I absolutely agree people read them because they like them.

I just asked AI for the top 5 biggest news websites in the UK, they are:

1. Sky News

1. The Independent

1. The Mirror

1. The Guardian

1. BBC News

All five pretend that men can become women, which is usually a good indicator that they're left wing / not right wing.