Entitled behaviour of some dog owners

[Jsonwbia]

I am on holiday in the UK. I accept that the area I am in is popular with dog owners and I accept the presence of dogs, but the sheer number of them in some spaces and the thoughtless behaviour of some dog owners is really starting to grate.
I'm in a cafe - restaurant place for lunch. Most other people in here have their dogs with them...fine. But some people have brought in clearly reactive dogs which are intermittently barking loudly at each other, whining, flying into a rage when other dogs go past their tables and growling. It makes me jump out of my skin when they loudly go off and set a baby off crying in shock. There is outside seating available and it's quite a nice day so why they can't sit outside I don't know.
Add to that, dogs sitting on the seats, being allowed to reach too far on their leads making them a trip hazard, and sniffing around my legs as they go past on leads with owners making no attempt to remedy any of this.
The staff are young and very polite and seem a bit ill equipped to deal with any of this.
I'm not out to spoil anyone's day so am keeping quiet but it is not relaxing. I feel like I'm in a minority these days though with not finding this enjoyable.

Because I wanted to use the WiFi, which didn't work on the outside terrace, I tried it.

Yes, indeed. It would seem to be the case!

That is adorable.
My mum's dog always heads to my local cafe. One time it was closed, and he just stood there pressing his head against the door expecting it to open.

You should read posts properly before you reply to them. We have dog shit bins - in parks and alleyways mostly - and ordinary bins that dog waste bags can also be put in. I said that.

I doubt there’s anything more robust about bin workers at any one place in the country than another.

The fact is that there are enough dog owners who are rank and selfish to spoil everywhere. Doesn’t matter if they’re a small minority, a minority, a big minority or a majority.

They all need to put their dogs on leashes at all times, take the shit home with them, and keep their dogs out of shops and cafes.

We’ll all be happy then. ✔️

I've also found for some owners it doesn't matter what the signs say, they just don't read them/think it applies to them.

I've seen owners carrying their dog in a bag through a shopping centre that didn't permit dogs and I've seen dogs being walked on the dog free section of the beach. When I told the owner that they were in the dog free section they said they hadn't seen any signs. It was on every single entrance and exit to the beach.

Not quite sure why you are being quite so aggressive over bins! You've clearly had a bit of a ''sense of humour bypass! I was just trying to be light hearted especially re my comment about our bin emptiers being more robust.
I just don't see what the problem is with putting dog shit in public bins. They’re bins for rubbish that is their only purpose. Would you stop parents putting used nappies in them, or maybe food that will go off and attract flies and wasps? If you take it home and put in your own bin someone still has to empty it and still end up in the same place.
I like you dislike irresponsible dog owners, and car drivers, people who drop litter particularly on farm land, leave gates open and let livestock out. I think most of us dislike people who behave irresponsibly. Like you I don't like badly behaved dogs especially ones that bark all the time and I would hate having to avoid piles of dog shit when I'm out and about. But I don't see dogs where I live spoiling "everywhere" and on a recent trips to London/Hereford/Chichester/Glasgow/Inverness (I could go on) I didn't see dogs spoiling everywhere.there either.

Yes, I’ve noticed this.

i go to a local NT-type garden (though it’s not NT) which allows dogs on non-extendable leads. If you don’t have a non-extendable lead you can borrow one for a £10 refundable deposit. You can’t miss the signs about this.

Pretty much every time I go there there’s at least one person with their dog on an extendable lead. A couple of times I’ve seen people letting their dog off-lead (also not allowed).

They’ve got to be doing it deliberately.

We were at a restaurant at lunchtime today (in France, where people, unless they're English, don't make a habit of taking their dogs to restaurants). The dog at the next door table vomited on the floor and then ate it. That is absolutely vile.

Self cleaning. Normal for dogs, but not people.

That’s all right then. 🙄

Dogs are not humans so do not act the same. They do not live by human standards because they are dogs.

I wouldn’t like to be next to a person or animal vomiting either, but it’s not particularly common.

And the dog probably cleaned it up more quickly than a person would.

I’m a dog owner, OP, and I completely agree with you. Things are getting out of control, and it’s frustrating. I live in North America, and so far I haven’t seen dogs inside cafés or restaurants, but I’m sure it’s only a matter of time. They are, however, allowed on patios. What I’m seeing more and more is dogs in stores. I love dogs, and most are well‑behaved, but not everyone is comfortable around them, and they shouldn’t just be allowed everywhere. This weekend I went camping and found a small, quiet beach with a big sign clearly stating no dogs allowed. Yet at any given moment, there were one to five dogs running around. I kept wondering why some people think the rules simply don’t apply to them. It honestly blows my mind.

It is weird. We get told not to compare dogs to children when we mention kids acting up in public, but a dog doing dog things is held to human standards.
On another dog thread, someone said about how a human male would not be allowed out showing his erection, yet it is ok for a dog to do it. As in, the "lipstick". They said a dog should not be allowed either. Weird.

So leave them at home. We paid a lot of money to go out for an anniversary meal at a human restaurant.

I don’t go to these types of places anymore. I remember the last cafe DH and I went to, we had dropped our DC at childcare and wanted a quick bite before our workday started. It ended up being dogs just barking and lunging at each other all through the meal, we couldn’t even have a conversation. We agreed we would not go back. The only other disruption were loud, braying adults that shouted their conversations or laughed loud while holding onto their barking dogs, just letting them bark endlessly.

I’m not into this kind of outing anymore, just being around this noisey uncontrollable atmosphere makes me want to stay in and have a nice coffee in the quiet of the home.

My dog was family, and I do not leave family at home when I enjoy their company and they are in a place they are allowed to be in.

If you think your dog was family, like being a child, a niece, nephew, cousin etc, and you wanted to take them to a restaurant just like you would a human relative, I genuinely feel sorry for you.

I don't want your pity. I actually feel sorry for people who can not comprehend the bond others can have with an animal companion.
My dog being my family does not affect you at all. So why be mean about it?

I love my dogs. I do consider them family. BUT they are dogs. They shouldn’t be acting in a way to upset people. If they aren’t going to lie down and chill out quietly at a restaurant then they don’t go. Because people don’t deserve to have their meals ruined and because the dogs themselves wouldn’t be happy.

My dog always did that. She was the perfect pub dog.
My mum's greyhound is the same.
But these threads draw out the people who even hate seeing well behaved dogs out and about.

Then I have a friend who takes her yappy dog to places, and her dog just barks and barks.

Person goes to dog friendly cafe in dog friendly place and complains about all the dogs…yawn.

They were moaning about the badly behaved dogs that the owners just seem unaware of.
As a dog owner who took her well behaved dog to cafes and pubs, yappy dogs would also annoy me. If your dog keeps yapping, then it is trying to tell you something. Take it else where and work on what that is.

Maybe you aren’t seeing hostility in real life because your dogs are well trained and kept under control?

I’m only hostile to owners with out of control dogs. Well behaved ones are fine.

Read my posts. I'm not complaining about all the dogs. I'm complaining about the people who bring ones that are stressed and unhappy, poorly trained, reactive etc. Plus crap owners who don't care about the negative impact of their stressed or unhappy dogs. I am quite happy being around calm well behaved dogs, see my comment about the calm westie. Dogs are fine if they are calm and well behaved in spaces designed for humans.