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Keeping a UK Council property for life even though you no longer live in the UK

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Vintlet · 12/06/2026 14:42

This story has just been released
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyxkeny8x6o
It seems so unfair given the lack of social housing in the uk that the First Lady of Sierra Leone expected to be allowed to keep her London social housing property as a pied a terre. Surely we cannot be expected to house the world. No one in authority would have realised given that she was still paying the rent if she hadn’t boasted about keeping it on a radio interview. I wonder how many people keep and sublet uk council properties when they no longer have a right to keep it.

Headshot of a woman wearing a red headwrap and matching top which are patterned with green flowers. She has a gold necklace and earrings.

Fatima Bio: Council takes possession of property linked to politician

Southwark Council in south London takes possession of a property linked to Sierra Leone's Fatima Bio.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyxkeny8x6o

OP posts:
BoredZelda · 12/06/2026 15:27

MaturingCheeseball · 12/06/2026 15:12

If you set conditions such as salary, then naturally it will discourage people from seeking work or earning more. Plus you want people to look after their homes, not view them as a temporary measure.

BUT councils need to do more to root out fraud. I have heard of several cases of people owning property abroad. In fact even the other way round: I know someone who got a social housing flat in Italy when they own a house here in the UK!

Dn sub-lets a very nice Peabody Trust flat in London. The official tenant collects the rent in cash and has some bills in his name at the flat. Why don’t councils have a sort of flying squad to do spot checks?

You are surmising that everyone would stay in a dead end, minimum wage job, declining promotions, never progressing or improving their skills, just to keep a council house? That’s nonsense. But if anyone did do that, they’d only have 3 tenancies then they have to go into private rented.

As for looking after their home, where is the incentive when if something breaks you call care and repair and they take care of it? I’m old enough to remember the plethora of news reports in the late 80s about people who had bought their council homes for an absolute song, complaining bitterly that nobody had warned them about the need to maintain the property. Finding they had to replace gutters they hadn’t cleaned in a decade, fix windows which were no longer working, paint their own front doors for goodness sakes. Five years isn’t temporary.

viques · 12/06/2026 15:27

Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit · 12/06/2026 14:46

Probably wrong but my daughter has one and we intend on keeping it in the family cone hell or high water even though her household income is now a far cry from when she got it as a single mum at 20

If she ever bought with her husband -which is likely- and moved on she would succede the tenancy to one of her brothers first and them the same and so on I used to work in social housing and stock is like hens teeth around here so we are hanging onto it for the family no matter what.

Edited

“Social housing is like hens teeth around here”

Oh dear, the irony! Some people just don’t get it do they?

toiletpaperthief · 12/06/2026 15:28

Why is the wife of a rich African dictator given a council flat?

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CaptainMyCaptain · 12/06/2026 15:28

honeycombine · 12/06/2026 15:26

I think if the government can get us caught up with amounts of housing built by councils, then letting people stay in them but adjusting rents as their circumstances change makes sense, but not to the extent that they end up thinking it's not worth getting a job. If they can fine tune the boundaries properly then stable communities and people from a whole variety of demographics living in houses where the landlord happens to be the council could work.

Something like that could work.

CaptainMyCaptain · 12/06/2026 15:29

toiletpaperthief · 12/06/2026 15:28

Why is the wife of a rich African dictator given a council flat?

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Presumably she wasn't when she got it.

MsGreying · 12/06/2026 15:30

AmethystDeceiver · 12/06/2026 14:45

I guess if rent and CT is being paid, how would the council know the property is vacant?

All worked out well I guess? Dunno what the point of this thread is really

Housing officers have a responsibility. The estate caretakers were very good at spotting a "giro drop".

If benefits were paid at the post office each week we would have

  • more community
  • more social awareness of the elderly and their needs
  • less thieves stealing benefits
  • more post offices and all the benefits they have.

For the last 30 years there's been a push to pay benefits to bank accounts. This means its been easier than ever to actually rip the UK off.

Efrogwraig · 12/06/2026 15:30

Honeyhonay · 12/06/2026 14:47

Even if you do live in it I’m not sure it’s really justifiable to have a council house for life anymore, regardless of the job and income you go on to have when there is a shortage at the other end.
But this story is mad.

Not so sure she'll be able to. Most councils have changed succession rights rules.

Apopos · 12/06/2026 15:33

countrylife00 · 12/06/2026 15:12

watch out if Reform ever get in, you won’t stand a chance.

Ironically, it’s probably some of the same people voting for them that are also abusing / benefitting from the system. They don’t think anybody else should do what they’re doing, or have what they have, but it’s fine for them.

Lightuptheroom · 12/06/2026 15:33

It's not easy to pass tenancies on (in most areas) as the housing associations don't allow more than one succession. There are still council owned properties (getting.less) that don't have any such rules but her brother would still have to meet the requirements for living there, so be aware what he would.qualify for as its unusual for any social housing to allow under occupancy at the transfer of a tenancy. I suspect it will be harder than that poster imagines to 'keep it in the family ' particularly as your.daughter won't want her name on the rent etc still if she's buying a house

Apopos · 12/06/2026 15:34

viques · 12/06/2026 15:27

“Social housing is like hens teeth around here”

Oh dear, the irony! Some people just don’t get it do they?

I think they do get it though.

Mumandcarer80 · 12/06/2026 15:36

mindutopia · 12/06/2026 14:45

Sadly, this is only news because she’s Black and foreign. I can only guess how many white British pensioners there are in Tenerife doing the same!

Exactly this

Thelonelyshrew · 12/06/2026 15:37

Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit · 12/06/2026 14:46

Probably wrong but my daughter has one and we intend on keeping it in the family cone hell or high water even though her household income is now a far cry from when she got it as a single mum at 20

If she ever bought with her husband -which is likely- and moved on she would succede the tenancy to one of her brothers first and them the same and so on I used to work in social housing and stock is like hens teeth around here so we are hanging onto it for the family no matter what.

Edited

Probably wrong?!

Its disgusting actually!

Hicupping · 12/06/2026 15:37

Anyone remember Frank Dobson, he and his lecturer wife were in a 3 bed westminster red brick flat despite being 6 figure earners. But Mr Dobson said: "I couldn't [rent] - not very easily. Market rents in our area are phenomenal. I wouldn't be able to afford it."

Same, except I gave up and left London.

www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/ps100-000ayear-dobson-defends-his-council-house-6411862.html

Allisnotlost1 · 12/06/2026 15:38

Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit · 12/06/2026 14:53

Absolutely -it’s naughty but my feeling is you have look after yourself and your kids and Grandkids nobody else is going to do it for you.
The rich seem to have no issue with getting a leg up and a break where they can got themselves and their kids
I want security for mine and for this ethics out the windows

I’m sure I’ve seen you on other threads say you’re a social worker. Doesn’t seem from your posts here that you’re a great fit for that.

TheKittenswithMittens · 12/06/2026 15:38
  1. Ban right to buy
  2. reassess need every 5 years. I wouldn't evict, if the tenant is doing well, but I do think that they should be charged a higher rent if they can afford it.
  3. Tenancy should not be transferable on the death of the tenants.
Noce · 12/06/2026 15:40

Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit · 12/06/2026 14:53

Absolutely -it’s naughty but my feeling is you have look after yourself and your kids and Grandkids nobody else is going to do it for you.
The rich seem to have no issue with getting a leg up and a break where they can got themselves and their kids
I want security for mine and for this ethics out the windows

You want security for yours??!’ It’s not even your flat or anything to do with you. It’s your daughters council flat: you’re not the fucking queen of your family

TemperanceWest · 12/06/2026 15:40

thatsnothtepoint · 12/06/2026 15:26

I know someone with a flat in a different part of the UK who kept it even after he moved in with his gf in England. Did this for over five years, plus his rent was paid as he was on disability benefit. Only gave it up last year, after he thought he would be outed in the press. Never sublet it even, just kept it for storing his stuff.

That is quite the bingo card there.

Gilltthepill · 12/06/2026 15:41

Interested to know what Councils allow endless succession rights? None that I know of.

Dollymylove · 12/06/2026 15:41

Apopos · 12/06/2026 15:33

Ironically, it’s probably some of the same people voting for them that are also abusing / benefitting from the system. They don’t think anybody else should do what they’re doing, or have what they have, but it’s fine for them.

Well given that Reform is a relatively new party and council house fraud has been around for decades, who were these people voting for before that?

MrsTerryPratchett · 12/06/2026 15:42

Vintlet · 12/06/2026 14:49

Yes, but no one responsible for housing realised until she gave an interview in which she said that she had kept her London Council property for when she visited the UK. She is the President of Sierra Leone. The bizarre issue is that if she hadn’t blabbed about it she could have kept the property for ever and passed it to her children.She is very high profile so it must have been obvious that she no longer lived there. The news report points out that she wasn’t evicted so presumably she had pressure put on her to give it up because it is embarrassing to the uk.

Did you know who the president of Sierra Leone was before this? Because if you did, you’re unusual. I read a lot of African politics stuff, and sustainable development and couldn’t have told you.

I know working in social housing that we are expected to know everything, and be psychic. But I didn’t realise there was a politics and international relations section on the exam.

TemperanceWest · 12/06/2026 15:43

@Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit which council owns the flat?

OneAmberFinch · 12/06/2026 15:43

I did some calculations once about the lifetime value of a council tenancy in my estate (mixed tenancy) based on the saved rent differential between private.

It was the equivalent of holding an investment worth £750k - £1M.

I wonder what PP's views on inheritance taxes for people with £1M in assets are...

thatsnothtepoint · 12/06/2026 15:44

TemperanceWest · 12/06/2026 15:40

That is quite the bingo card there.

And all true. Gf is a relative.

Mapleleaf114 · 12/06/2026 15:45

Vintlet · 12/06/2026 14:42

This story has just been released
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyxkeny8x6o
It seems so unfair given the lack of social housing in the uk that the First Lady of Sierra Leone expected to be allowed to keep her London social housing property as a pied a terre. Surely we cannot be expected to house the world. No one in authority would have realised given that she was still paying the rent if she hadn’t boasted about keeping it on a radio interview. I wonder how many people keep and sublet uk council properties when they no longer have a right to keep it.

Thats wrong ofc but considering all the benefits are constantly assessed, how come there are single pensioners living in 3/4bed council houses when there are families waiting for years for a family home,some living in one bed b and b?

RobinEllacotStrike · 12/06/2026 15:45

mindutopia · 12/06/2026 14:45

Sadly, this is only news because she’s Black and foreign. I can only guess how many white British pensioners there are in Tenerife doing the same!

Surely any "First Lady" of a foreign nation in this situation would be treated with similar interest.

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