Gaz Oakley no longer vegan and the backlash he has received is ridiculous

[Magicalbroomstick]

Gaz Oakley is no longer vegan. I can’t believe the amount of backlash he has received. He has deleted his instagram. People saying he was never really vegan.
I’m a vegetarian and was a vegan for 3 years when I was breastfeeding my oldest, then realised I couldn’t live without cheese!

@ClaudiaWankleman
I don’t think it is the same as someone changing a belief eg religion. Because that is a question of belief or opinion or feelings.

Ethical veganism is based on facts - animals are harmed, land is razed, habitats are destroyed, water is wasted. These facts do not change.

Many people abandon being vegan for many reasons, but in doing so they are choosing to turn a blind eye to the facts that made veganism a sensible choice.

For religious believers they also see those things as facts?

Meat eaters - at least some of them - don't believe in the 'facts' that vegans do. I don't put facts in quotes to diminish the importance or the reasoning behind the things that you believe, just to indicate that they are not universally shared understandings of the world.

Do they really see those things as facts? Religious language is about faith and belief, isn’t that what makes religion so special? People hold a faith and a belief in an ideology which can’t be proven, they choose to keep that belief.

For that reason, we don’t tend to argue against a person’s religion do we? I can’t argue that someone’s belief is wrong because they aren’t telling me they are right and I am wrong, they’re telling me what they believe in and who am I to challenge that?

Veganism is literally based on facts. You can ask for proof and evidence and look up the facts for yourself. You can decide that those facts are trivial and unimportant and irrelevant, you can argue that some of the facts are exaggerated, you can present counter arguments, but they remain actual facts.

This is a fallacy, often cited and challenged on these types of threads.

I think principles can be important, but still relinquished because the cost benefit isn’t working. I was very low plastic use for a while- didn’t buy cosmetics, skincare or hair care, made my own shampoo etc. almost ten years.
I realised one day that all the effort I went to, and making my own life much harder, was making no practical difference. Anything I saved was dwarfed by the relentlessness of plastic crap churned out around the world.

What a load of shit. Honestly the vitriol some of you have towards vegans is crazy.

Lol. My mate has a vegan cake making business as a sideline. Makes some truly exquisite stuff for weddings and local coffee shops etc. Has loads of followers on IG.

Last time we were at a party she was stuffing her face with sausages from the local butcher. 🤣🤣🤣 They were pretty good tbf. They'd chopped them into chunks and put them on sticks like cocktail sausages, served with a mustard dip.