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Thread 50 Starmer : Το ταξίδι είναι η ανταμοιβή

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DuncinToffee · 26/05/2026 17:12

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SerendipityJane · 04/06/2026 15:48

A Mumsnetter writes 😀

Thread 50 Starmer : Το ταξίδι είναι η ανταμοιβή
countrygirl99 · 04/06/2026 16:00

Well done @pointythings DD.

Notonthestairs · 04/06/2026 16:09

Congratulations! to your DD @pointythings

dontcallmelen · 04/06/2026 16:16

Excellent news Pointy well done to your dd.

PickAChew · 04/06/2026 16:27

pointythings · 04/06/2026 15:14

We all need to remember that Mumsnet isn't real life. This place is full of unfashionable people.

In other news, DD has passed her driving test - first time, only three minors. I am so, so proud.

Excellent news!

PickAChew · 04/06/2026 16:28

TemperanceWest · 04/06/2026 15:26

The unfashionable have certainly descended upon MN.

Congratulations to your DD!

They're busy on Reddit, too, even on some normally quite left leaning subs. Some will probably be earning good bonuses for their hard work.

TemperanceWest · 04/06/2026 16:50

There are particular phrases/arguments that are being used across social media. It is very, very noticeable. Quite concerning.

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2026 16:50

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placemats · 04/06/2026 17:02

I don't get any posts about Mumsnet on Facebook anymore.

Congratulations to your daughter @pointythings it's a lovely milestone in life - no pun intended.

Notonthestairs · 04/06/2026 17:03

For those that don’t use Bluesky -

In a detail which will surprise no one, the first of the "patriots" to plead guilty to offences connected to the rioting in Southampton on Tuesday night has a criminal record as long as your arm, including.... possessing a knife.

“The court was told that Frost had previously received 25 convictions for 55 offences, including an offence against the person in 2001, four public disorder offences between 2006 and 2011, offences of failing to surrender in 1999 and 2008, possession of a bladed article in 2009 and threatening and abusive behaviour in 2010 and 2011.”

placemats · 04/06/2026 17:04

It's no surprise to me at all @Notonthestairs

BIossomtoes · 04/06/2026 17:06

And I expect all the other offences he hasn’t been convicted for in the intervening 15 years.

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2026 17:11

Alternatively.

Thread 50 Starmer : Το ταξίδι είναι η ανταμοιβή
PickAChew · 04/06/2026 17:17

Notonthestairs · 04/06/2026 17:03

For those that don’t use Bluesky -

In a detail which will surprise no one, the first of the "patriots" to plead guilty to offences connected to the rioting in Southampton on Tuesday night has a criminal record as long as your arm, including.... possessing a knife.

“The court was told that Frost had previously received 25 convictions for 55 offences, including an offence against the person in 2001, four public disorder offences between 2006 and 2011, offences of failing to surrender in 1999 and 2008, possession of a bladed article in 2009 and threatening and abusive behaviour in 2010 and 2011.”

Concerned citizen.

BIWI · 04/06/2026 17:19

Well done to your daughter @pointythings! I wish I could encourage my (adult) DC to learn to drive. Although where we live there really isn't much need for them, on a day-to-day basis - but it's such an important skill. It is also, though, very expensive - and that's before there's the buying of a car/cars and insurance ...

pointythings · 04/06/2026 17:28

@BIWI it is crazy expensive - DD has funded it all herself though. I don't charge her rent for living with me, but I also haven't paid a penny for all her driving, nor does she want me to. She has savings so can buy a car when she's ready. We have zero public transport here, so it really is essential.

DS has so far said never to learning to drive but is now thinking about it - less urgent for Ihim though because public transport in Plymouth is really good. Middle DS feels his ADHD will hinder him and also has great public transport where he lives.

DD had her learner insurance through Marmalade - so the insurance is on my car but entirely in her name - all I had to do was give permission. We'll see what they can offer her now she's passed. Cost is probably going to be less than a double driving lesson every single week, and it helps that she's 25 not 17.

Piggywaspushed · 04/06/2026 17:48

This is a great post on Facebook, although I'd suggest they should have included Dalian Atkinson who a right winger called a 'violent criminal' on this site yesterday:

1989: Through shocking negligence South Yorkshire Police kill 97 football fans at the FA Cup semi-final. The police and right-wing media immediately go into cover-up mode. Police officers systematically rewrite official notes and accounts of the tragedy to shift blame from themselves onto the fans, and right-wing media help to spread the police lies. The Sn played an egregious role in spreading the police lies with the notorious front page that still sees Murdoch's scurrilous rag boycotted in Liverpool to this day. It takes literally decades for the truth to be acknowledged, and nobody from South Yorkshire Police was ever prosecuted over the deaths they caused, nor for their systematic cover-up and lies. Nigel Farage never spoke out about police misconduct in relation to this case; he defended his millionaire backer Arron Banks over his appalling Hillsborough comments; and he even trolled the city of Liverpool by having his photo taken reading the Sn on the Hillsborough anniversary.
2005: Police hunted down and assassinated Jean Charles de Menezes by shooting him in the head point blank seven times on a London Underground carriage. As soon as the police realised that he wasn't the suicide bomber they imagined he was, they immediately went into cover-up mode. The police lied that he'd jumped the barriers at Stockwell station, when he actually calmly used the Oyster system and walked through the barriers; they lied that he was wearing suspiciously heavy clothing; they lied that they shouted "stop police" before wrestling him to the floor and killing him. Right-wing media helped the police disseminate their lies, and Nigel Farage never once spoke out about police misconduct in relation to this case.
2009: During the G20 protests a Metropolitan Police officer caused the death of Ian Tomlinson, a bystander, by attacking him with a baton and violently shoving him to the floor. The police immediately went into cover-up mode, painting themselves as the victims with claims that they "tried to assist a man who had collapsed" while protesters "pelted them with objects". Right-wing media helped spread these police lies. Video footage later revealed the assault on Tomlinson by an officer who had removed his shoulder number and gone on a violent rampage, assaulting various other people before causing the death of Tomlinson. The story of police being pelted with projectiles was also shown to be false. Nigel Farage never spoke out about police misconduct in relation to this case.
2021: A Metropolitan Police officer known to his colleagues by the nickname "the rapist" abducted, sexually abused, and murdered Sarah Everard. The police went into cover-up mode, with several of the murderer's colleagues providing character references for him during the trial, and the Metropolitan Police advising women to attempt to resist arrest by "waving down a bus" if they feel uncomfortable being arrested by a lone male police officer. The Tory Home Secretary Priti Patel ordered the Metropolitan Police to violently smash up a Women's Vigil for Sarah Everard, and Nigel Farage stated that "we must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police".
2026: Henry Nowak's murderer was sentenced to 21 years in jail, and the bodycam footage of the incompetent police response to his stabbing was made public. Nigel Farage chose to stoke up public anger with a so-called "emergency statement" in which he ranted about immigration, and called for "cold hard rage". Later that day far-right riots erupted in Southampton. Farage refused to apologise; refused to acknowledge that he'd defied the express wishes of Nowak's family that their boy's killing should not be used to stoke hatred, tensions, and divisions; then later threatened that "what you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning".
The far-right are now pointing to criticism of Farage's irresponsible rhetoric as if left-wing people don't care about police misconduct, despite the fact that the left have consistently protested against cases of police misconduct, while Farage and his ilk have routinely ignored police misconduct in the past, or even colluded with them, or made excuses for them.
In reality the left have been complaining about police misconduct for decades, while right-wing media and politicians have regularly helped police cover-ups by spreading their lies.

Piggywaspushed · 04/06/2026 17:58

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2026 17:11

Alternatively.

Doesn't work in my accent...

Efacsen · 04/06/2026 18:20

Inconvenient truths

Nowak murder: force accused of ‘anti-white bias’ five times more likely to stop black people

For the last year data was available, Hampshire’s officers were 5.1 times more likely to stop and search someone black than a white person. The average disproportionality rate in England and Wales was 3.8 times.

Guardian

LittleBowSheep · 04/06/2026 18:21

1989: Through shocking negligence South Yorkshire Police kill 97 football fans at the FA Cup semi-final. The police and right-wing media immediately go into cover-up mode..... Nigel Farage never spoke out about police misconduct in relation to this case; he defended his millionaire backer Arron Banks over his appalling Hillsborough comments; and he even trolled the city of Liverpool by having his photo taken reading the Sn on the Hillsborough anniversary.

@Piggywaspushed This is just part of your post above, thanks for posting this. I never knew about the last bit; Farage having his photo taken reading the Sun on the Hillsborough anniversary.

I know Farage is a low-life piece of scum and there is no limit to how low he can go, but this actually shocks me. When on earth are people going to wise up to what an odious little shit-bag he really is.

I've read many posts over the last couple of days defending him and claiming he was right to invoke rage following Henry Nowak's death, despite his family's wishes. In my opinion, each and every person who supports him are as weak and feeble as he is. This has made me so, so angry.

Notonthestairs · 04/06/2026 18:44

I didn't know about Aaron Banks comments or Farage reading the sun on the Hillsborough anniversary either. Grubby.

I'm listening to the Newsagents. I had no idea that police officers had been named (incorrectly in at least one case) on twitter. Musk rallying for more violence.

I saw a screenshot yesterday of tweets criticising Mark Novak's speech - suggesting, amongst other things, that he can't have loved his son.

I don't know how much lower some people can go - but it seems they can.

TemperanceWest · 04/06/2026 18:47

There is a thread running at the moment asking whether families in the nightmarish position of the Nowaks are "told" what to say. All in that faux innocent way that they have. Thankfully most of the posts are putting the OP in her place. But not all.

placemats · 04/06/2026 18:54

LittleBowSheep · 04/06/2026 18:21

1989: Through shocking negligence South Yorkshire Police kill 97 football fans at the FA Cup semi-final. The police and right-wing media immediately go into cover-up mode..... Nigel Farage never spoke out about police misconduct in relation to this case; he defended his millionaire backer Arron Banks over his appalling Hillsborough comments; and he even trolled the city of Liverpool by having his photo taken reading the Sn on the Hillsborough anniversary.

@Piggywaspushed This is just part of your post above, thanks for posting this. I never knew about the last bit; Farage having his photo taken reading the Sun on the Hillsborough anniversary.

I know Farage is a low-life piece of scum and there is no limit to how low he can go, but this actually shocks me. When on earth are people going to wise up to what an odious little shit-bag he really is.

I've read many posts over the last couple of days defending him and claiming he was right to invoke rage following Henry Nowak's death, despite his family's wishes. In my opinion, each and every person who supports him are as weak and feeble as he is. This has made me so, so angry.

That tells you all you need to know about Forage.

Llttledrummergirl · 04/06/2026 18:55

pointythings · 04/06/2026 17:28

@BIWI it is crazy expensive - DD has funded it all herself though. I don't charge her rent for living with me, but I also haven't paid a penny for all her driving, nor does she want me to. She has savings so can buy a car when she's ready. We have zero public transport here, so it really is essential.

DS has so far said never to learning to drive but is now thinking about it - less urgent for Ihim though because public transport in Plymouth is really good. Middle DS feels his ADHD will hinder him and also has great public transport where he lives.

DD had her learner insurance through Marmalade - so the insurance is on my car but entirely in her name - all I had to do was give permission. We'll see what they can offer her now she's passed. Cost is probably going to be less than a double driving lesson every single week, and it helps that she's 25 not 17.

Congratulations to your dd. It's become something of a right of passage.

@BIWI dh and I taught our dc as we couldn't afford lessons. 2 passed second time, and my dyslexic, dyspraxic dc passed third time. Given we needed the first test as a mock so we had an idea of what was missing, it's not a bad record. If you can drive and communicate it's always a possibility.

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