Would you say non-white people born & raised in England are English?

[rack909]

Just thought I should hear people’s perspective on this.

Some say it’s an ethnicity, some say it’s a nationality & others say it’s both of them.

I personally think it’s both a Nationality & ethnic group.

If someone says they are from England, they are denoting their nationality as English even if they don’t say it outright. It’s the same thing.

How many times have you been locked up for saying you’re English?

There’s your answer.

No, friend / ex is this category would say British. Black British etc. English is associated with white I think. Tbh I would say British aboit myself

Yes

"The one which makes me as Indian origin feel pretty awful is “normal” "

Sorry, but that made me laugh.
In the Big Bang Theory, Sheldon's mother asks whether his friends' baby will be raised 'Jewish or regular'.

It's a quote from comedian Stewart Lee. Calm down.

I was just answering pp's question.

I think if you’re born here you’re British. No matter what your ethnicity is.

Nationalism is shit. Patriotism is just taking credit for things that you haven't done.

To be fair, some of the Northern Irish ones are the most British people in the world.

My mum and dad were born in Scotland, have Irish ancestry on both sides, but am Scottish.
My younger brothers dad was born in Scotland. His parents were born in the Caribbean, their grandparents were from India. To look at my brother you can can clearly see his heritage is from the Indian subcontinent, but you have to go back 150 years to find a family member who has set foot in India.
What is my brother if not a Scot?

I really thought that idea had died out long ago.

Not sure what you mean?

I'd say it's not for me to decide someone else's national identity, but if they feel they are English, of course they are.

But by what possible logic wouldn’t they be?

Yes they are. However, I think religion plays a huge part, and it's what separates us all - much more than our colour. Sadly.

I am ethnically Indian. I am British and English. I am proud of this. Some threads on here are becoming more and more depressing.

My black friends call themselves British rather than English. Anyway why does it matter??

Do you fell similarly about people who identify as ethnically Scottish, Welsh, or Irish? Or are you just bigoted against the English?

Yes of course.

Erm yes anyone who is born and raised in England is English.

And I think most people would automatically say they're English rather than British. Although both would be true

They're obviously British.

I think the ethnicity question is more tricky. White Englishness can be an ethnic identity, and I'd say it's different from non-white english ethnicity.

A lot of the difficulty over this is the long-standing use of "English" to mean "British" or a citizen of the UK. It's a left over of our imperial & colonial past.

If we separated those namings, I think we'd find a much clearer answer to @rack909 's question.

Maybe so, but it doesn’t make it untrue. The fact you have maintained no connection with India or its culture is what makes the difference in how you feel about it.

That said birthright citizenship ended in 1987 so if you were born after that you probably are not a dual national or citizen of India.

Well we all know they are racist nutters so who listens to them?

You don’t have to be raised here, just born here.