Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

Why do you think it’s a reach?

im of the opinion that had his time been today, he would not have got away with all of his shady antics. I’m not sure if you are old enough to remember how he was viewed in the 80s but he was a megastar of huge proportions.

The victims of his abuse all say that they were brainwashed to support him no matter what. The poor children he abused believed that this was ‘love’.

No I don't.

It's definitely not a reach.

Most supporters just parrot the same old lines 'Michael never had a childhood', 'Michael just loves children' on repeat to explain his obsession with sleeping with little boys, as if it's a fact that that's why he did it and it's ok because it's Michael, whereas if it were any other person people would think there was nefarious intentions.

Its always worth digging a little deeper into true intentions $$$> It's a shame because the fallout can discourage genuine victims from coming forward. Xx

So if it’s all about money, why weren’t there all these allegations about George Michael? (for example) @Hubhubba26or any of the other rich celebrities who died an untimely death.

I do.

MJ was an easy target and put himself in vulnerable situations 😔

@MyTrivia MJ a much easier, bigger and more vulnerable target sadly

@AutumnLover1990 he wasn’t an easy target at all, a multi billionaire, the actual opposite of an easy target. He put himself in situations that pleased him and nobody questioned it for years.

The thing is with Jackson, no one has claimed he was violent. Manipulative and emotionally and sexually abusive yes, but not violent.

He would not physically force children to do things they didn't want to. So with each child he would try to see what he could get away with / manipulate them into doing. So its possible he didn't move on to the more explicit sexual behaviour with all of them if he got sufficient push back.

Below is an account by a German man of his experience.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/michael-jackson-called-me-his-rubba-rubba-boy-and-abused-me-when-i-was-just-14/news-story/c28595aff4cc45e6666520fabd167864%3famp

I find the defence by the fans and the estate appalling. These are not false allegations by random children who never met Jackson. He is documented to have behaved with all these children in very inappropriate ways and have admitted doing so. That alone should make people ashamed when they accuse them of lying.

When I say Jackson wasn't violent I do not excuse his behaviour in any way. He made these children feel guilty and complicit in their own abuse which will have caused huge damage.

I also think later on he was using drugs and alcohol to enable him to abuse the children.

He didn’t. He took advantage of countless young children, often all at the same time, making them believe that he loved them and that’s why he was molesting them.

Then he dropped them like a hot potato to move on to the next flavour of the month (abused child).

He was an extremely astute and highly manipulative predator.

Yes! Such a shame.

What does violence have to do with it, though?

Yeah he's more vulnerable because he had relationships with little boys and slept with them in his bed and then moved onto younger boys and had books full of naked pictures of boys made by pedophiles. Poor, poor Michael.

I still can’t believe that people support this narrative of poor MJ was a child trapped in an adults body.

Can’t you see how ridiculous it is?

And that voice he put on was fake.

@MyTrivia @kkloo all I suggest is you do more research beyond tabloid style reporting. The mainstream media have an invested interest in reporting on one side here.

Poor, poor little 40 year old Michael. Forced against his will to spend endless nights alone with twelve year old boys and to be photographed and videoed, hugging them and holding their hands and having them sit on his lap.

It was evil of those children, some of them as young as seven to make this innocent, sweet, middle aged billionaire give into their demands. They must have realised how bad they were making him look especially after he had already been so unfairly accused of the sort of awful things a musical genius who just loved children so much he built a fairground in his back garden could never have done.

I don’t read tabloids. The man is dead. There are far too many accusers for this not to be true. And I’ve heard what he said with my own ears because there are taped conversations. And those conversations were not normal.

When he was alive he would always be travelling and walking around with (usually one) prepubescent boy. Like that child was his date. You’re delusional if you think that he was in fact a child. And male child friends also don’t talk to each other like lovers.

Could he speak normally? I don't know.

However none of us really know what happened, we were not there. The narrative has changed so often from the accusers.

I have a friend in America. She watched quite a lot about it all on television and decided, regretfully, that he was guilty. Then she watched quite a lot more and changed her mind, thought he was innocent. :-)

I saw an interview with Donny Osmond fairly recently and he was in tears talking about Michael Jackson, the last conversation he had with him which was quite moving. He said that 'the business' broke Jackson.

I sit on the fence but surely it is preferable to think the best of someone than to immediately consider them guilty? Especially as he is now dead and all the alleged victims were well compensated for whatever did or didn't happen.

Perhaps it's best to concentrate on his music.

But wasn't that said by Wade Robson - who changed his story many times and is suing the estate for millions of dollars?

I mean its not a stretch to think that some of the accusers could be motivated by money

Of course he could speak normally. The high voice was an act. He was probably sexually abused himself - that does not excuse him to carry it on.

Yes even Jordan Chandler said that there was a couple of occasions he told Michael he didn't like something and then Michael would cry and try to manipulate him into letting him and say there was nothing wrong with them and that another boy (Michaels cousin I think) let him do those things so he must not love him as much as he did, but that Michael didn't try to do them again.

He also expressed regret that he hadn't stopped letting Michael do other things to him and felt that he could have prevented them by telling him not to, seeing as he didn't try those other things again.

None of us can know for sure.

But Im starting to think that he might be innocent.

I have. He was a pedophile.

Wade Robson was brainwashed like all the others. It was only when he had his own child that he realised how wrong it was what MJ had done to him.

There is actually a rift between Wades wife and his mother because the former is angry that his mother didn’t protect him. She was a stage parent, out for fame.