Thread 47 Starmer: Vai ficar tudo bem esta noite. Rock and roll.

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Sadly, we can't choose them, @Piggywaspushed 💐

That's really awful, @Piggywaspushed . So sorry you have that to deal with.

Yes, horrible behaviour @Piggywaspushed .

It's not deliberate horrible behaviour, to get honest. Its just typical narcissist stuff.

From what you describe I think it was deliberate. Don't excuse or downplay it.

Saddened to read about it. Makes me so glad that my siblings and I were of one mind when each of our parents died.

No, honestly, it wasn't . I said I couldn't got to the new date (I could have done, tbh, I just didn't want to miss half of my precious Easter holiday and then have to go back to school 3 days late with jet lag! This all took place in DM's birthplace in Connecticut) . Once I had said that, they basically assumed I was not part of any of the plans . Boot on the other foot, I probably would have remembered to include absent relatives somehow but , honestly, sibling (and my dad from whom this is an inherited trait) is just the most emotionally odd person you could wish to ever meet. The narcissism is probably inherited from DM.

You know how we were sharing how many years we've been on mumsnet? I just got this 🙄

Honestly, the plot has been well and truly lost.

On the other hand I am here safe and sound after our first session with DD1 driving my car. She says I'm a very calming influence and honestly, she's a good driver. Still a novice, so we're getting in as much practice as we can before her test in early June. Going out again tomorrow, she's taking us to Cambridge.

I've just taken refuge in the bathroom before I teach DS2 words I don't want him to repeat. Can I have some of that calming influence, please.

Are you OK PickAChew?

I'm sorry you're having a bad day, and I hope it gets better.

I'm fine. Just at the end of my tether. He's been a proper goadyfucker, today 🫨. If I hide in the bathroom, he usually finds done better entertainment but that didn't work, today.

So sorry Piggy - I get what you mean about not being deliberate, but it still bloody hurts - plus you’re there baffled how they don’t know/behave like your average human.

Look after yourself x

Hope stuff calmed down for you. A bit of venting is a good way to let it out - anytime on here I think - everyone understands 💐

Sorry archive isn't working

Neil Kinnock in The Observer regarding Brexit.

https://observer.co.uk/news/opinion-and-ideas/article/the-british-people-know-brexit-has-failed-them-they-also-know-how-to-fix-it-clone-1

This works.

I am 84. I will probably not see it

Hopefully I have 20 more years, and I feel the same. That's getting on for 2 generations.

It's a poignant conclusion to the article.

It is.

But mine more so, sadly.

2 generations will have paid the price for the delusions of their elders. Because there is no way in 20 years time anyone will be able to articulate sincerely to these generations that they were sacrificed not for any sincere shot at prosperity, but because some of their ancestors didn't like brown people.

Same age here @SerendipityJane

I'm more hopeful. I never thought we'd get a peaceful outcome in Ireland. The Good Friday agreement was, and still is, a momentus moment and achievement.

It was a momentous achievement but it took two governments to get it over the line. Blair gets the credit but Major did a lot of the heavy lifting. I wonder if this government had the guts to make closer ties with Europe a clear part of its narrative with some promises in the next manifesto it might increase its popularity. The close working with France on defence that’s already begun is a strong start.

As someone who lived in Northern Ireland during my formative years, I attribute the GFA to both Major and Blair equally.

I think the main barrier to rejoining, or having any formal closer connection, is the spectre of Farage and the Leaver Tories. The EU knows that when the government changes they’ll have to untangle everything again. It’s a disincentive for them to bother.

Aye, to be fair, some of my assumptions about the world I'd grow up into could not have been more wrong.

End of apartheid
Fall of Berlin wall (leading to)
Fall of USSR
Northern Ireland peace process
A black POTUS
A British Indian PM

However one view of that progress is was that it was at the expense of longer term equality and opportunity

Yes that's a salient point. This Government needs two Parliaments to reinstate the EU membership, which could be just Customs Union as a starter for 10.

No need for a referendum to join the EU on Custom Union, as this current Government has Sovereignty.