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Labour isn't working - Thread 29

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TheNuthatch · 21/03/2026 15:19

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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EasternStandard · 18/04/2026 10:17

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 09:50

If someone being appointed for a very high security position fails vetting, and no discussion or action is taken, what's the point of vetting them? It just doesn't add up.

I don't know anything about psychopathy in and around government, but I'm certain that I've met a few working in construction. I think Starmer & Co are simply a bunch of power hungry, talentless, scheming liars.

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That they try to sell themselves as decent is also just nonsense. The MP this morning doing it for Starmer and on here. Just blinkered and wrong.

DancingFerret · 18/04/2026 10:23

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 09:21

Heat pumps and condenser dryers are different. From what I can gather, vented and condensing dryers are being phased out, but eco friendly heat pumps take forever to dry stuff.
I can't find a condensing dryer that does the reverse tumble thing. I'll keep looking.

Starmer is going to start forgetting which lies he's told, and to.whom.

Any good?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06XQW8MWP?tag=tptracking-3551024-21&linkCode=osi&th=1

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boys3 · 18/04/2026 10:42

Only looked at the print version of The Times this morning. Brilliant picture on page 4, hopefully also in the online edition. Meloni’s expression and body language sums things up perfectly.

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SpaceRaccoon · 18/04/2026 10:43

@TheNuthatch we've got a heat pump drier - it's my first drier so I can't really compare length of time taken but it really doesn't cost a lot to run so I've been impressed from that aspect. I'd say a couple of hours for a full load on average?

CruCru · 18/04/2026 10:47

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 09:03

My trusty old tumble dryer just died. 😩

I've got a mahoosive laundry pile to get through today. I've heard bad things about heat pump dryers so I've been dreading the day my vented one died.

I have one of those heated clothes horse things from Lakeland - Dry Sooner. I barely use my tumble dryer now.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/04/2026 10:51

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 09:50

If someone being appointed for a very high security position fails vetting, and no discussion or action is taken, what's the point of vetting them? It just doesn't add up.

I don't know anything about psychopathy in and around government, but I'm certain that I've met a few working in construction. I think Starmer & Co are simply a bunch of power hungry, talentless, scheming liars.

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I can see (just about) that civil servants might be under an obligation ordinarily not to pass on to politicians information given to them by the security services about individuals. I can also see that a decision on a qualified negative report might be to go ahead and appoint/hire if the department thinks the pros outweigh the risks.

What I don’t believe is that if a politician or SPAD or civil servant outside the department asks for the vetting result and the reasons for the department’s decision, it could be ignored.

And that’s not even being said in this case. Starmer is saying he was never told, not that he was lied to, even by omission, or explicitly stonewalled. The FO’s answers to the questions should be either frank or be clear that the law prevents the answers being given (which I very much doubt). Either way Starmer would have known where he stood. He couldn’t have made statements about proper process and clearance on either basis.

I just find it utterly implausible that Starmer didn’t asked the questions at the very least in the aftermath of the sacking or that the answers were not given one way or another.

As has been pointed out, Starmer announced the appointment before the vetting and before Robbins was in post. Did Starmer seriously appoint Mandelson (the announcement is on the record) without checks and take no care to follow up, relying only on his own ‘good’ judgement about a man who had been sacked twice from government and was known to have hung around Epstein?

EasternStandard · 18/04/2026 10:53

Yes no one has lied to Starmer so that leaves him apparently not even asking what the outcome was of vetting at any time.

Not even checking before he made unequivocal statements to the press and to the house.

With all the heat on it why didn’t he even ask someone?

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 10:53

@DancingFerret Thank you! I never thought to check amazon.
It looks great, ideally need one a bit bigger but beggars can't be choosers. It's on the shortlist. 😊

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CruCru · 18/04/2026 10:59

EasternStandard · 18/04/2026 08:04

Olly Robbins will defend himself, as he should. ‘I did nothing wrong’

A staunch defence, tf for that. Starmer panicking and sacking anyone he can is weak and wrong.

He makes Boris look like a fair and kind boss.

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 11:00

@SpaceRaccoon Oh thanks. Thats encouraging. I could cope with two hours, just not 5! Would you mind sharing what brand it is? Any suggestions would be fab as I'm clueless. I have a Bosch heat pump on my list as DH is convinced that it will save a gazillion pounds. 🙄

@CruCru Thanks. I already have a Lakeland DrySoon heated airer, two Meaco dehumidifiers, four maidens and two washing lines (summer and winter). 😂

@NoWordForFluffy Thanks, much appreciated.

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TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 11:05

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/04/2026 10:51

I can see (just about) that civil servants might be under an obligation ordinarily not to pass on to politicians information given to them by the security services about individuals. I can also see that a decision on a qualified negative report might be to go ahead and appoint/hire if the department thinks the pros outweigh the risks.

What I don’t believe is that if a politician or SPAD or civil servant outside the department asks for the vetting result and the reasons for the department’s decision, it could be ignored.

And that’s not even being said in this case. Starmer is saying he was never told, not that he was lied to, even by omission, or explicitly stonewalled. The FO’s answers to the questions should be either frank or be clear that the law prevents the answers being given (which I very much doubt). Either way Starmer would have known where he stood. He couldn’t have made statements about proper process and clearance on either basis.

I just find it utterly implausible that Starmer didn’t asked the questions at the very least in the aftermath of the sacking or that the answers were not given one way or another.

As has been pointed out, Starmer announced the appointment before the vetting and before Robbins was in post. Did Starmer seriously appoint Mandelson (the announcement is on the record) without checks and take no care to follow up, relying only on his own ‘good’ judgement about a man who had been sacked twice from government and was known to have hung around Epstein?

I agree, totally.
This is Peter bloody Mandelson they're dealing with. Of course he's got history!
Then there's the fact that Starmer said at the despatch box that Mandelson lied in vetting. How can he know that if nobody shared the results of the vetting?

As I said earlier, Starmer and his team are forgetting which lies they've told, and to whom.

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EasternStandard · 18/04/2026 11:06

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 11:05

I agree, totally.
This is Peter bloody Mandelson they're dealing with. Of course he's got history!
Then there's the fact that Starmer said at the despatch box that Mandelson lied in vetting. How can he know that if nobody shared the results of the vetting?

As I said earlier, Starmer and his team are forgetting which lies they've told, and to whom.

Yep this needs to be assessed in a committee. They’ve told so many lies they can’t keep track.

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 11:13

EasternStandard · 18/04/2026 11:06

Yep this needs to be assessed in a committee. They’ve told so many lies they can’t keep track.

Agreed, but they will fight it tooth and nail.

Any PM with a drop of honour or integrity would fall on his/her sword at this point. Starmer would have been axed months ago if he was a tory PM.

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SpaceRaccoon · 18/04/2026 11:22

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 11:00

@SpaceRaccoon Oh thanks. Thats encouraging. I could cope with two hours, just not 5! Would you mind sharing what brand it is? Any suggestions would be fab as I'm clueless. I have a Bosch heat pump on my list as DH is convinced that it will save a gazillion pounds. 🙄

@CruCru Thanks. I already have a Lakeland DrySoon heated airer, two Meaco dehumidifiers, four maidens and two washing lines (summer and winter). 😂

@NoWordForFluffy Thanks, much appreciated.

No problem at all, I looked through my emails and it was this:

1x SAMSUNG - Series 5 AI Energy DV80CGC0B0ABEU 8 kg Heat Pump Tumble Dryer

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 11:26

SpaceRaccoon · 18/04/2026 11:22

No problem at all, I looked through my emails and it was this:

1x SAMSUNG - Series 5 AI Energy DV80CGC0B0ABEU 8 kg Heat Pump Tumble Dryer

Thats fab, thank you. My washing machine is Samsung and its brilliant.

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DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/04/2026 11:27

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/04/2026 10:51

I can see (just about) that civil servants might be under an obligation ordinarily not to pass on to politicians information given to them by the security services about individuals. I can also see that a decision on a qualified negative report might be to go ahead and appoint/hire if the department thinks the pros outweigh the risks.

What I don’t believe is that if a politician or SPAD or civil servant outside the department asks for the vetting result and the reasons for the department’s decision, it could be ignored.

And that’s not even being said in this case. Starmer is saying he was never told, not that he was lied to, even by omission, or explicitly stonewalled. The FO’s answers to the questions should be either frank or be clear that the law prevents the answers being given (which I very much doubt). Either way Starmer would have known where he stood. He couldn’t have made statements about proper process and clearance on either basis.

I just find it utterly implausible that Starmer didn’t asked the questions at the very least in the aftermath of the sacking or that the answers were not given one way or another.

As has been pointed out, Starmer announced the appointment before the vetting and before Robbins was in post. Did Starmer seriously appoint Mandelson (the announcement is on the record) without checks and take no care to follow up, relying only on his own ‘good’ judgement about a man who had been sacked twice from government and was known to have hung around Epstein?

Just to add, there is of course also the Independent’s report that they ran the story of Mandelson’s failed vetting seven months ago, and went to the No10 press head before publishing.

It’s just bonkers that Starmer didn’t ask about all this.

NoWordForFluffy · 18/04/2026 11:33

Starmer would have been axed months ago if he was a tory PM.

Hard agree on this. The men in grey suits would have visited ages ago!

CandidLurker · 18/04/2026 12:55

KS is just not a leader. He comes over as completely passive. I just wait for a minion to tell me what questions I have to ask and then wait for another minion to give me the answers. So nothing is ever my fault.

DancingFerret · 18/04/2026 13:03

CandidLurker · 18/04/2026 12:55

KS is just not a leader. He comes over as completely passive. I just wait for a minion to tell me what questions I have to ask and then wait for another minion to give me the answers. So nothing is ever my fault.

Yes, he's been described as a passenger. Loves the title, but hasn't a clue what the role involves; a spiteful and small-minded waste of space - which the Mandelson debacle has illustrated only too clearly.

justasking111 · 18/04/2026 14:30

DancingFerret · 18/04/2026 13:03

Yes, he's been described as a passenger. Loves the title, but hasn't a clue what the role involves; a spiteful and small-minded waste of space - which the Mandelson debacle has illustrated only too clearly.

As Shadow whatever how did he get away with being such a plonker for years. It's inexplicable.

NoWordForFluffy · 18/04/2026 14:44

justasking111 · 18/04/2026 14:30

As Shadow whatever how did he get away with being such a plonker for years. It's inexplicable.

Wasn't he something to do with Brexit? Probs not much to do in that role!

He fits the bollard description better and better each day. 🙄

StatuteofLiberty · 18/04/2026 18:18

The gov new months ago about mandelson the papers told them

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 19:42

@SpaceRaccoon

I bought the dryer you recommended. A friend recommended the exact same one as yours so I took the plunge. Picked it up from Curry's this afternoon and its now tumbling away. It's very space age and making me feel a bit thick, but v happy with it. Thank you 😊

Of course the sun came out as soon as DH fitted it. 😂

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SpaceRaccoon · 18/04/2026 19:44

TheNuthatch · 18/04/2026 19:42

@SpaceRaccoon

I bought the dryer you recommended. A friend recommended the exact same one as yours so I took the plunge. Picked it up from Curry's this afternoon and its now tumbling away. It's very space age and making me feel a bit thick, but v happy with it. Thank you 😊

Of course the sun came out as soon as DH fitted it. 😂

Oh gosh I really hope you like it!! May you enjoy cost-effective dry clothes 😁