Immortal Invisible and When A Knight Won His Spurs

[TheTecknician]

Fun fact, just in case you didn't know. The words to these hymns can be transposed to each other's tune. Both are in 3/4 time.

Similarly with Amazing Grace and I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing, although these two have different time signatures.

That's all!

That’s really interesting thank you!

Both beautiful hymns...very stirring and conjure up memories of infant& primary school in the 1960s and 70s

Another one - Sumer is icumen in and the Mending Song from Bagpuss.

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If I find myself without a means of replenishing my phone's battery, I always sing to myself 'no charger have I, and no sword by my side.'

I just love this so much

My uncle was a Primary School Head. At his funeral, one hymn was “When a Knight Won His Spurs”. Took me back 40+ years - and yes, I did remember all the words.

My Old Man’s a Dustman was also played….

But they don’t fit well to the other tune? There are loads of hymns where you can switch the words and tunes effectively. In fact I am playing a hymn tomorrow to a different tune than in the book.

Honestly I can’t get these words/tunes to swap at all!

So interesting, Immortal Invisible has the same meter as Away in a Manger according to the list. Just had a fun brain exercise singing them in my head in the opposite tune.

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If each line has the same number of syllables of course you can swap tunes! If you look in the back of the New English Hymnal it tells you which other tunes have those exact numbers eg 6 8 8 6.

It's not exactly as simple as just the number of syllables because the stressed syllables have to be in the same place too

I do this too sometimes! Or sometimes it becomes "...the knights are no more and my phone it is dead"

Ah ok course @Kingdomofsleep you're right, I see what you mean!

And baa baa black sheep!

Immortal Invisible has the same tune as Lord of all Hopefullness.

Are you sure @FionnulaTheCooler ? I'm singing them in my head and the tunes aren't the same

Beat me to it! I was going to mention that. Used to love singing this at carol concerts when we lived in Yorkshire in the 1970s.

At my secondary school we always sang O Come, O Come Emmanuel at Advent. Very complicated tune! I used to look forward to it. (Am also an atheist with a liking for old hymns and carols.)

No they aren’t!

You can sing a lot of hymns to the theme from the muppets.

On Ilkley Moor tube was the original one for While Shepherds Watched before someone set the other words to it.

We used to sing While Shepherds Watched to the same tune as O For a Thousand Tongues to Sing. Much nicer tune, but it does go on a bit.

I can never do Shepherds to Ilkley Moor without getting the words mixed up: while shepherds watched their flocks by night/On Ilkley Moor bar t'at etc.

Which tune for O for a Thousand Tongues? 🤣 because I know it to two regular tunes.

Immortal Invisible has the same tune as Lord of all Hopefullness.

According to Songs of Praise, my old school hymn book, Immortal, Invisible is to the tune St Denio, a Welsh hymn tune, and Lord of All Hopefulness (one of my favourites) is to Slane, a traditional Irish tune.

The King of Love my Shepherd is, mentioned above, is no. 654 in the book. I know we definitely sang it because at one time I used to note down the hymn numbers each week. The same week we had I Heard the Voice of Jesus Say, and two others I don't remember at all.

Trying to sing well known words to an equally well known but different tune is a bit like trying to type with left and right hands crossed over.....

However, lord of all hopefulness and Be Thou my vision do have the same tune!

Which tune for O for a Thousand Tongues? 🤣 because I know it to two regular tunes.

Songs of Praise has it under a tune called O God of Love but says it can also be sung to Richmond, which I know as the tune for City of God, how broad and far.