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Dubai/UAE - where did you think you were?

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WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 01/03/2026 19:29

I’ll preface this by saying I wish the best for anyone out there, working or holidaying. I hope you are and remain safe.

but do people go there with next to no concern for where in the world it’s located? Do they pay no attention to news or the general geopolitical situation, it’s hnot exactly a secret.

are we really that dense that most people don’t look past the bling, the weather, the tax perks, the bloody influencers?

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SerendipityJane · 02/03/2026 15:33

Effic · 02/03/2026 15:32

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tennessee-death-penalty-abortion-b2925988.html

it hasn’t made it through …..yet. The heart beat law failed the first times but guess’s what it got through in the end ….are you willing to bet this one won’t make it through? Based on what exactly?

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Carla786 · 02/03/2026 15:34

Effic · 02/03/2026 15:30

What a load of absolute nonsense. I am advocating for no such thing. I’m suggesting that rather than pontificating about what is right and wrong in other countries, we STFU and deal with our own mess rather than telling everyone else what to do when our own record is so poor.

As ever, western colonialism is still rife …. you are all correct, we must continue to shine the beacon of our brilliance and munificence to all the other poor (usually Muslim) countries and invade and bomb them for their own sake and continue to point out all
of the ways they are wrong and we are right. They will be so much better for it.

Do you think our record is worse than those Muslim countries?

I'm not advocating bombing Iran, I don't think most people on this thread are.

Criticism is not colonialism. Remember, colonialism is not only a thing the West did, either.

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 15:36

SerendipityJane · 02/03/2026 15:33

That's a good video, I like the Lincoln Project.

And that nails it : if a horrible bill goes through in one state, a lot of other states will still offer the option. Hopefully people have money to travel . It's wrong to tar the whole US.

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 15:43

I've never suggested invading or bombing Muslim countries. On any level.

SerendipityJane · 02/03/2026 15:45

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 15:36

That's a good video, I like the Lincoln Project.

And that nails it : if a horrible bill goes through in one state, a lot of other states will still offer the option. Hopefully people have money to travel . It's wrong to tar the whole US.

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It was technically possible in 2024 (when it was made). Even more so now.

Just wait until the huge "AI" companies start trawling all their your data for things to object to.

SatsumaDog · 02/03/2026 15:46

I don’t think the majority of holiday makers give it much thought past considering it a pleasant holiday destination. I’ve never been, but I know people who go fairly regularly and they seem to love it. It’s a little bubble of luxury for however long they’re there and as others have said, it’s perceived as fairly safe (up until now).

I know many people feel very strongly about Dubai and in that case, vote with your feet.

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 15:52

MauriceTheMussel · 02/03/2026 10:37

Tbf, plenty of people and systems in the UK ignore beaten, raped and abused women and beyond. Not every tourist or resident even needs to be on a non-stop campaign to end injustices.

Dubai is not equivalent though.

In Dubai marital rape is legal.

In Dubai selling sex is illegal, so the migrant women who report abuse can be jailed or deported if they are selling sex, often even if trafficked.

Emiratis there are governed by misogynistic sharia law.

In Dubai there's the kafala system for migrants, which makes it hard to report abuse.

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 15:53

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Nobody is asking to be bombed, what a cruel post. Reported.

I know 2 people who lived there as children - not their choice, their parents.

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 15:55

Jonnybigwallet · 02/03/2026 11:20

The UAE is a grand wee country. Been yo Abu Dhabi a few times. Very liberal for an Arab country. You can even drink alcohol in the hotel bars.

🤣

Boohoo76 · 02/03/2026 15:56

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 14:54

I personally think that too many people don't know about how women are oppressed elsewhere in the world. Not just women - men as well.

Too many people don't care what's going on all over the world. They jump on a plane and want to go for a two week holiday - and that's fine. But when it's suggested that maybe people should not go these - people get incredibly defensive

They'll do mental gymnastics to try and justify why they holiday in places where locals live under an oppressive regime

I said it on another thread - I wouldn't go to Turkey because of their human rights records and the way the present Government have brought in new laws to justify rounding up street animals and killing them

Then you'll get someone saying - what about the way the UK treats animals (I'm aware of that and I do my best for rescues both here and abroad)

Sometimes you need to draw a line in the sand and go - I'm not going to holiday there and spend money there

And if people want to go to Dubai five times a year that's up to them. But let's not pretend that everything's rosy out there for women. It's not

There was a thread on here a couple of weeks ago where a woman and her husband were having a marriage breakdown and they were both from the UK and people were queuing up to tell her to get the hell out because if he went to police and made allegations she would be arrested

We can't have it all ways - we either care about oppression or we don't. We can't just spend our lives going - it's not too bad. Or other countries do it too. That's just trying to justify conditions where women have no or little freedom. And just because that's the way it is - doesn't mean it's right.

Not allowed to drive. Not allowed to work. Not allowed to be educated. While folk from the UK sit in a bikini and sip cocktails.

Local women in the UAE are educated and they do work. They also drive. Saudi was more restrictive but things have changed now.

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 15:57

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 11:49

I don't pretend to live a one hundred per cent ethical life or anywhere close to it . It's pretty much impossible.

But - I don't buy from either company. I wear second hand clothes and have done so for almost 20 years - because I'm not comfortable buying from companies that use sweat shop labour. Any new purchases that I have made over the last ten years have been ethical ones that don't involve sweat shop labour. Child labour doesn't just extend to clothing obviously.

In fact - I rarely buy clothes full stop - I have enough of them

It's not just clothes. It's where you bank, how you shop, the countries that you buy products from . I definitely am not 100 per cent ethical (phone springs to mind). But I do as much as I can to have spending habits that reduce as much suffering as possible

I'm vegan as well and I don't use make up, perfume or products that aren't ethical incase someone asks if I eat meat (and I also know that there are certain products that some vegans avoid for various reasons).

Great post. Even if people aren't able to avoid sweatshop clothes entirely, Shein and Temu are avoidable.

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 15:58

Boohoo76 · 02/03/2026 15:56

Local women in the UAE are educated and they do work. They also drive. Saudi was more restrictive but things have changed now.

Good. Theres still a long way to go before equality though (I don't think we have it here either tbf).

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 15:58

Boohoo76 · 02/03/2026 15:56

Local women in the UAE are educated and they do work. They also drive. Saudi was more restrictive but things have changed now.

Yes, I agreed with that post but those details don't apply to UAE.

JustSawJohnny · 02/03/2026 15:58

Westcott313 · 01/03/2026 19:37

Bored of the 'how they treat women' rhetoric. I personally don't like the bling etc but it's much safer than the UK.

Facts to back this claim up?

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 16:00

ProudOliveHiker · 02/03/2026 11:58

Free Sudan.

Yes!

I'd criticised Dubai and forgotten the worst thing they've done recently.

What do people on this thread think of Dubai's support for genocidal RSF?

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 16:01

JustSawJohnny · 02/03/2026 15:58

Facts to back this claim up?

The cunning Sheikh Makhtoum lures Westerners in with UAE's low crime rate. 🤣

It's true, it is low. That doesn't make it an ethical country.

LBFseBrom · 02/03/2026 16:02

I have often wondered the same, am glad it isn't just me.

I'm sure Dubai is fine most of the time, people do seem to like it there. However it is geographically challenged, neighbouring countries are far less stable politically.

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 16:02

Anyone stating that they are bored of the "how they treat women rhetoric" is an apologist for misogyny. Lots of countries are safe for holiday makers - that doesn't excuse the fact that women are treated like second class citizens in many of them

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 16:02

MyRubyPanda · 02/03/2026 12:13

I have friends who holiday in Dubai. They sing its praises endlessly. Personally I simply couldn't fathom ever going as practising my religion is a criminal offence there.

What? I thought Dubai allowed various religions to practice as they're 90% expat. Can I ask what your religion is?

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 16:05

NoSchadenfreude · 02/03/2026 12:28

Haven’t RTFT but finding the smugness of people unbearable. Know exactly where the UAE is but balanced the risk of possible conflict and recent history with wishing for some sun for my family after surviving toddler starting nursery and ending up hospitalised and every illness under the sun, return to work in a stressful job, miscarriage and the miserable British winter. Add on a direct flight of 7 hours, somewhere with guaranteed sun and so child friendly and the first week of our holiday was paradise.
really sad at the situation we are now in and just hoping we can get home soon, but seeing such a sad side to humanity revelling in other people’s anxiety.

I'm really sorry ...I do think this thread is wrong to berate anyone in Dubai. I can see why you went, and I really hope you can get home soon.

On the sunny place issue- I understand wanting a sunny holiday, but couldn't you have gone to France or Italy or Spain or Portugal? Those are nearer and surely there's sun there?

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 16:07

Krakinou · 02/03/2026 12:38

I’ve no sympathy for anyone traveling to the US at the moment either (except people who need to visit family). I’ve got extremely racist, right wing relatives who LOVE the US and go on holiday there often. I’m sure they’ll be the first to start crying and moaning if they’re affected by these laws in any way, but they won’t be because they’re white and wealthy and don’t give a crap about anyone else’s welfare or human rights. Which is probably the exact mindset of most Brits who travel to Dubai.

That poster's claim about abortion law was not accurate anyway.

nearlylovemyusername · 02/03/2026 16:10

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 16:05

I'm really sorry ...I do think this thread is wrong to berate anyone in Dubai. I can see why you went, and I really hope you can get home soon.

On the sunny place issue- I understand wanting a sunny holiday, but couldn't you have gone to France or Italy or Spain or Portugal? Those are nearer and surely there's sun there?

Sure, Majorca for example.

How many of you travel there?

Oh, hang on - do you know what tourism does to this island? to living conditions of locals?

persephonia · 02/03/2026 16:13

Effic · 02/03/2026 15:30

What a load of absolute nonsense. I am advocating for no such thing. I’m suggesting that rather than pontificating about what is right and wrong in other countries, we STFU and deal with our own mess rather than telling everyone else what to do when our own record is so poor.

As ever, western colonialism is still rife …. you are all correct, we must continue to shine the beacon of our brilliance and munificence to all the other poor (usually Muslim) countries and invade and bomb them for their own sake and continue to point out all
of the ways they are wrong and we are right. They will be so much better for it.

In fairness I think Dubai would probably be quite happy the US was bombing Iran were it not for the chaos caused by Iran's response. I think the West versus the Muslims is a bit simplistic whichever side of the colonialism argument you are (the clash of civilization right wing types are also wrong).
The UAE have been up to shenanigans in other countries as well. In terms of interfering in foreign countries for short term self interest at the expense of geopolitical chaos and huge civilian loss of life, the leaders of Dubai, SA, America etc are all quite aligned with each other.

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 16:14

persephonia · 02/03/2026 11:29

Lots of Muslims are critical of human rights abused. There are NGOs and rights group run by Muslims. And loads of Muslim countries have raised complaints over the UAEs treatment of their workforce. Likewise their activities overseas. The UAE and Saudi Arabia spend a lot of time criticising each other and accussing each other of human rights abuses abroad. That's not really coming from a place of genuine concern but rivalry. They are both awful.

The odd thing about Dubai is it isn't excessively religious. It's deeply hypocritical (Muslim men drinking alcohol etc while their wives wear burkas). But foreigners can drink, wear skimpy clothes. It's not authoritarian in the religious sense. It's just soulless. The biggest risk to Westerners comes not from religious hangups (they really don't care about people having sex) but from the racist/xenophobic hierarchy. So if a westerner gets raped by a local they will walk of free and the westerner will be punished if they report it. If it was the other way round it would be different. The maids etc from non western countries are lower on the hierarchy even if they are also Muslims.
But on the whole the God worshipped in Dubai is money.

Interesting post.

90% of Dubai are expats so maybe that's why it seems less religious? Or maybe the Emiratis there are also less religious than other Muslim countries?