Tourette’s/BAFTAs offensive language

[Lochroy]

I wasn’t watching, I’ve just read the article on BBC news. I will admit I know little of Tourette’s and therefore posting to understand.

The tics agree involuntary, and often use offensive language. But what I’m struggling to get my head around is excusing use of the N word because it was caused by the disability when it was (seemingly) only directed at black people?

Also presumably it’s learned vocab so children don’t have swear words as tics? How does this develop?

Exactly. There is no choice with these conditions.

Here's a definition of mine:

Tardive dyskinesia (TD) is a condition where your face, body or both make sudden, irregular movements. You can't control these movements.It can develop as a side effect of medication. Most often, it's a side effect of antipsychotic drugs. But some other medications can cause it too.

It frequently affects older adults and those on high doses of medication, with about 20% of cases impacting daily functioning. Symptoms can often be managed with VMAT2 inhibitors, though they may be permanent

And here’s ond for Tourette syndrome:

Tourette syndrome is a condition that causes you to make sudden, repetitive sounds or movements (tics). There is no cure, but treatment can help manage the tics.
Symptoms of Tourette syndrome
The main symptom of Tourette syndrome is tics. Tics can involve repetitive sounds (vocal tics) or movements (motor tics) you do not choose to make and cannot control.

See, this is where some people will hopefully be able to.read it and think "ok, an actual disorder that affects the brain, which doctors really still don't fully understand... OK. It's not something that someone can help then, nor is it a condition with a cure."

Hopefully.

As I said before it is possible for the slurs to be unintentional and still cause harm.

The racism on this thread is intentional.

Mmm, and then maybe get deaf people to choose to hear, and paralysed people to just try a bit harder to walk.

It's shocking isn't it. So bloody ignorant. And offensive. I've reported them.

I agree that editing should have played a part but I dont think people are excusing racism or racist words. We've all been exposed to words through our lives that we wouldn't choose to use, that's the whole point with Coprolalia and Tourettes. The rest of us don't use those words but they can't help it. It's possible to care about more than one thing at once. It wasn't his fault and they were potentially offended, I haven't seen anything directly from the two men to say that they were, that's why I say potentially.

This thread is dripping in ableist twats with limited comprehension skills that words can be said that could be perceived as hurtful, offensive and racist to the receiver but due to a disability they have no control over in the form of tics, that person isn’t racist nor offensive, nor is anyone who understands this.

Two separate issues. The racism on this is so deeply embedded not even an acid bath could shift it.

This is possibly the most offensive post I've ever seen on here.

At least you've laid your ignorance and stupidity bare for everyone to see.

Racism requires intent regardless of how much you want to argue differently. Saying offensive things doesn't necessarily demonstrate that intent is racist. People might not like it but it doesn't meet the legal threshold for racism to a sufficient level because he has a disability and allowances have to be made. That might not be pleasant but it's also not targeted either. Tomorrow it might be someone else for exactly the opposite reasons.

This is why he wouldn't ultimately be prosecuted by the police unless they wanted a law suit against them which he'd be within his rights to start. And would probably win.

Want to give a few examples of this overt racism?

Yes, I hope it’s not deleted. Everyone should see this shit.

I've certainly seen a lot of intentional ableism on this thread.

I'm just astonished by all of this - I honestly thought that people would realise - given that a film about his fucking life had just one Best Actor - that he was sufferig from tics and no harm was meant, and that would be the end of it.

I thought I was quite cynical and had a jaundiced view of people, but apparently I was still delusionality optimistic.

I bet Black disabled people would just love to only worry about ableism. I'll let you get back to your privilege.

@Lochroy it really doesn’t sit comfortably with me that the use of such appalling language is being defended/ made out to be excusable because it’s involuntary.

Can we look at this sentence? How can an involuntary, reflex action be inexcusable in any sense, in any situation? The literal opposite of ‘excuse’ is ‘condemn’. How can we condemn a person for an action that was entirely beyond their control? That’s just madness.

If the slurs were unintentional then the harm is unintentional. And as far as I can see the people who think there is intentional racism on this thread, are the same ones displaying intentional ableism. Pot, kettle, black.

The difference is that people agree that racism is bad, but ableism is absolutely fair game it seems.

Like I said, limited comprehension skills.

What a truly horrible thing to say. He'd made no secret of his life, ever - he first appeared in a documentary as a teen (John isn't Mad). And why on earth are you making insinuations about his parents?

I don't care how you "lean", he has diagnosed tourettes and coprolalia, he doesn't have a choice in how his tics present themselves.

It takes a certain level of white privilege to insist ableism is the only issue, whilst ignoring the impact of the slurs, intentional or not.

MissAustenMadeAQuilt here you go. Watch it:
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Search for him on youtube. There's plenty more.

Then maybe feel ashamed, if that's not expecting too much.

The difference is that people agree that racism is bad,

Not on this thread.

In some respects ableism is similar to racism. Just as many people judge and stereotype by skin colour, disabled people are similarly judged because the first thing people see is the disability. Disabled people are discriminated against in many areas of society, and in many cases without recourse.

Examples ?

I think racism is bad. This isn't racism. It's Tourettes.

That's the point.