Tourette’s/BAFTAs offensive language

[Lochroy]

I wasn’t watching, I’ve just read the article on BBC news. I will admit I know little of Tourette’s and therefore posting to understand.

The tics agree involuntary, and often use offensive language. But what I’m struggling to get my head around is excusing use of the N word because it was caused by the disability when it was (seemingly) only directed at black people?

Also presumably it’s learned vocab so children don’t have swear words as tics? How does this develop?

No, because they are judging a disabled person by the same rules as they would someone without that disability. The concept is totally alien to them that someone simply has a disability that makes them shout out random words and isn’t being racist, bigoted or anything else that would apply to someone else without the disability doing the same. They are simply disabled.

Oh there’s levels of acceptability for those with Tourette’s.

Good to know for my teenager’s future, thanks! 👍🏻

Exactly this. I was ashamed when my body started to make involuntary movements as part of my movement disorder, but I'm not apologising for it. I'm not hiding myself away for the sake of others'.

People are all different. There by the grace of God goes any of us, and if you are fortunate enough to be healthy, count your blessings.

It’s ableist bollocks, ignore it.

Not if it’s a tic as a result of Tourette’s. A tic is a tic, the person has no control - it’s the illness not a personal attack. They don’t want to be saying these things, they don’t want to have this disability. Have some compassion.
Should people with epilepsy be expected to apologise for having a seizure?

You ignored my actual point.

But with tics there is no difference, calling someone the a bitch/fat bastard/slut, paedo and the n word come from the condition not the person.

I have accepted it’s hurtful.

Now, what did you say about gagging disabled people? Such a lovely person you are

@PurpleCyclamenif the seizure meant they fell on a child and injured them for example? YES! Yes they should still apologise!!

You must be horrified if you know what he does for a living.

I apologise but I laughed when you wrote the bomb and drugs things your daughter says. It reminded me of the milk comments from the film.
It's fantastic that Luton airport are accommodating. Is a pity so many people haven't been after last night.

Why not? Maybe it’s others who should be more understanding of a man - the subject of a nominated film - who has a distressing, debilitating disability that causes him to involuntary say distressing, offensive things that he has absolutely no control over and feels utter mortification about.

If they are uncomfortable with that they can sit out that award show.

That poster accused black people of having a 'victim parade'.

You tell me, how am I supposed to take that?

Not to someone with Tourette’s. And probably not to the person being called a fat bastard.

It is quite ironic that some posters will bend over backwards to call out ableism and are also completely transphobic on other threads.

People not agreeing that disabled man was racist isn’t “deep racism”

However you have demonised a whole class of minoritised disabled people who live with pain and trauma each day. I closing children. You are an ableist. I think someone told you you are incapable of discrimination because of racism in the US or whatever, but it’s clear your disgusting comments about this amazing man, who is clearly 100x better person than you, shows you to be a nasty ableist. Shame on you

She’s caused me upset too

I I hope by her own standard she apologises. After making demands of disbaled people - she hurt my feelings and so should apologise.
fairs fair right

Of course it is excused because of disability!! What do you expect , that he has to face backlash over something he has absolutely no control over ??

Saying the N word to a black person is extremely offensive and taboo- that is why his brain grabs it to say. Saying it to a white person is meaningless, not taboo, so his brain didn’t grab it.

Yes it’s learnt vocabulary- it doesn’t reflect on the persons beliefs or ethics he just knows the word and knows it is taboo. My 12 year old son would never say that word - he still knows it and that it is a bad word.

Do you report them? Transphobia will be deleted.
Or do you just mean they are supporters of the rights of women, as well as disabled people?

The impact of Johns words are not his fault, correct

But if you knew anything about Tourette’s you’d understand that

Agreed - but there was no intent here was there, so it’s not relevant

And what if it were an Asian man on the stage, and he used the P word, or a woman and he called her a slut or a bitch, or an overweight person a fat twat? There would always be the prospect of offence caused, but most people would understand that it didn’t come from a bad place and wasn’t personal. The only way to make sure nobody was ever offended would be to lock up Tourette’s sufferers and never let them out in public. Which I’m sure we all agree would be pretty archaic.

Calling black people the n word is not 'doing nothing wrong'. He didn't mean to do it, sure, but it is still a wrong word to use.

Black people are also allowed to centre ourselves, too.

Yes I understand what INVOLUNTARY means especially when it's in caps.

There's is a difference between saying ginger bastards and n**ger.

I will state one last time. I am I no way suggesting that JA stay at home and become a recluse. It's my understanding that it's better for people living with Tourettes to be out and about in society (although I'm sure someone will be along to tell me how ignorant I am). This was a special night for JA but also a special night for lots of others. I'm saying that sometimes compromise has to be found and in this situation It should have been anticipated that a racial slur may have been shouted out at 2 black men on stage. It also may not have. If the organisers/JA erred on the side of caution there may have been a different outcome.

Also will state one last time I have seen the past documenteries/ other documenteries not featuring JA/ read about Tourettes etc. I am in no way ignorant of the disability.