Why aren't people vaccinating against measles?

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Just read about the measles outbreak in Enfield and Haringey at the moment - just wondering why a lot of people aren't vaccinating again measles these days?

Apparently the UK has lost it's measles free status or something, just seems weird to me that we're letting something old fashioned like this go rife again.

Have you ever had a conversation with an anti vax er? There is no reasoning, and they generally believe they have researched their decision (via YouTube)

they don’t understand that the majority of the population, myself included just don’t have the level of education needed to truly do their own research.

they should be compulsory with the exception of children who can’t have certain ones for medical reasons.

Oh the ones I’ve met have read loads of research and not just you tube - I don’t think it us stupid people - the very opposite

Would it feel more democratic if our elected politicians had a vote on it and made it compulsory?

Democracy is about rule of the people, it doesn't mean people can chose what to opt out of!

Because of the pleb that told the world MMR caused autism 🙄 that plus people believed COVID was invented to control us and kill us off with the vaccines

From the daily hate mail - seems to be wealthiest areas

• Up to 36 per cent of children in most expensive areas have not had MMR jabs
• Middle-class parents feel 'they’re not necessarily going to come to harm', say experts

I know it is the daily fail but..

One of my colleagues is extremely successful. Think a job like architect, law, accountant type thing. Went to a top 10 university. She's an anti vaxxer and hasn't got her two kids vaccinated or herself.

I tried to speak about it and it's caused a huge rift in the friendship. She's listed the reasons and they are all just pointless myths that are debunked with science. Things like 'pharmaceutical companies that make vaccines benefit financially from keeping us sick'. She showed me a video and it was awful - just scaremongering drivel. I don't even know how she could watch it.

It's kind of heartbreaking as her friend to sit by. I feel so sad that she's putting her kids at risk because of complete crap some American is posting for hits. Half the arguments don't even make sense in the UK where the NHS is funded by the government and clearly they aren't wanting to pick up the bill for making people unwell.

It's the same as politics becoming more extreme we are in this horrible stage where social media and algorithms are driving people apart. It's so hard to have a conversation without the other person thinking you are attacking them as a parent.

Sadly I think it has to play out. Children will go blind or die and these awful illness will have huge resurgence. The kids who can't be vaccinated will be the victims (along with the kids whose parents have made this decision for them).

I feel sad about it all.

The US showing as Mandatory for school entry. And yet they have a nutter as their health secretary.

Has RFK Jr. kept the promises he made in order to get his job at HHS? : NPR https://share.google/63aHTYi8zGZ0GPo1c

I thought it was middle class people and more vulnerable groups which face barrier accessing health care more generally.

The second group being easier to educate than the educated middle classes still believing they can rely on herd immunity from others and knowing they can access health care and under estimating the risk of measils.

I don't agree with the idea that unvaccinated children shouldn't be allowed to mix, as that would effectively be punishing the children for having feckless, neglectful parents.

But I honestly don't know why the failure to vaccinate (in the absence of valid medical reasons) doesn't just trigger an automatic referral to Social Services. It is neglect, and should be treated as a safeguarding concern.

Why on earth should they be allowed to put others at risk?

Yes me too - it’s all people like the women above who is very well educated - I saw it over Covid with “educated” friends

Because their parents are fucking stupid.

They are also in a measils outbreak at minute.

I don't know how their mandaory for school system works though had heard in past there is one - as the states have different education systems and they also have in some area extensive private schools.

So sorry to learn this. I am 68 and had measles then mumps as a child. I can still remember the agonising headache.

They shouldn't, but how can it be fair to deny the child an education because their parents are so irresponsible?

It would be better to just make vaccinations mandatory for all.

All their research comes from the same scaremongering stuff. It persuades them that they can't trust any traditional sources.

E.g. You can't trust the WHO because they are funded by pharmaceutical companies. Therefore, all the stats, scientific studies and research is therefore not valid.
(the WHO isn't even funded by pharmaceutical companies. It can accept donations for projects it's funded by governments...)

Because antivaxxers are on the rise at an exponential rate. They are claiming vaccines cause autism, childhood cancers and autoimmune illnesses as well as a myriad of other ailments. They are also claiming that illnesses such as measles are mild and self limiting and the bodies natural immune system fight it off easily. They also claim that vaccines cause these illnesses by "shedding".

These people dont see logic. They refuse to believe the actual scientists because they see them as the enemy who are pushing these illnesses on people.

Although none of them can answer why the worlds overlords want millions of autistic children. Like... autism is a spectrum loads of people have it and live ordinary lives, im not sure why they think its a conspiracy.

Yes mandatory

sorry but it’s on the parents here - they don’t get to put pregnant women and children at risk - needs to be like Covid vaccinations were

aorry but too risky to put child before parents decision

I don’t know about RFK (idiot) but the mandates are State level so he couldn’t completely get rid of them.

Some don’t think these diseases are really that bad.

Because they are too young to have had measles. I had measles before the vaccine was developed and have had hearing and eyesight issues ever since.

My child had a serious rare reaction to a vaccine which resulted in him being hospitalised. I still had him vaccinated for everything else despite this.

I do think part of the problem is that the reasons people aren’t vaccinating aren’t the same.

Here the vaccination clinics are Tuesdays 9-12 and Thursdays 1-3 every 3/4 weeks. You can’t make an appointment more than a month in advance and generally you get told to wait for your letter.

People on lower paid jobs often have far less flexibility for time off for appointments at shorter notice.

Whereas in some of the schools I worked in it was definitely the case of well educated parents feeling they were better able to read things online and know more than others.

I also thing clear data on vaccine injury would also help. My ex wound me up something chronic when our twins were tiny. He really pushed for single vaccines. I had an amazing HV who came back to me after I told her what he was saying with actual figures. Rather than “nonsense, nobody was ever harmed by a vaccine” or “they’re dangerous don’t do it” she was able to show the actual stats and how that compared to other vaccines (and also to unvaccinated children) and it made it crystal clear to me that I had to stand up to him.

in a meeting recently it was also flagged up that in some places there are posters up actively advertising the fact that there are gelatin free versions of the MMR. In our area there wasn’t and it wasn’t clear if that message was getting out properly.

One single strategy isn’t going to solve all the issues as it’s not one single reason people aren’t doing it.

Lack of education and / or not very bright

Quite the opposite evidence suggests

and my personal experience

The majority are conspiracy theory-peddling idiots. Whilst I’d like to think that Darwinism will deal with them, the reality is that their children will suffer whilst a bunch of half-wit parents get away with this.