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I witnessed racism tonight and didn’t speak up

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Potteryclass1 · 01/01/2026 01:39

Previously when there has been someone who has expressed racist or homophobic views I have spoken up… eg intervened on a train carriage to say racial language is not acceptable, i’ve asked someone to leave my house. (My husband has a wide group of friends through a common connection and this was a newcomer to the group at a bbq at our house). I have stood up to people at work who have been racist even when my employer wanted to brush it under the carpet. And at the side lines of my son’s football matches I have calmly told a parent to be quiet even though I was told by other I was “making a scene”.

tonight a friend (Zoe) invited me out for a quick afternoon drink. She has been kind to me over the last few years.
She was with 2 friends: one I sort of know and one was new. The new friend was lovely (let’s call her Carol). The lady I sort of know is ok (let’s call her Em), but not my cup of tea.

a friend of Em (the sort-of ok lady) turned up -(let’s call her Lou). My friend Zoe said she wasn’t very keen for Lou to join but Lou had called Em and Em had already told Lou which pub we were in.

Lou spoke about a local family in the most disgusting racist language. The new friend (Carol) was uncomfortable and made an excuse to leave. I knew I should stand up to Lou like I have stood up to racist or homophobic people in the past. But I was paralysed. I am totally ashamed of myself.

i didn't want to upset my kind friend (Zoe). But in doing so I have stood by and allowed disgraceful and prolonged racist language to be spoken about a family I know (to say hello to, but not very well).

I left soon after. 8 hours later I cannot sleep thinking about how I stood by and said nothing.

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Vivisays · 01/01/2026 01:47

perhaps consider penning a msg to her tomorrow to say you feel ashamed that you weren’t honest in regard to what was said and that it crossed a boundary for you?

TyneTeas · 01/01/2026 01:48

If you didn't make excuses for the people who left or condone it and then left soon after then I think you did send a message even if you didn't speak it out loud

'Could have done more' is not the same as 'having done nothing' or 'not having done enough'

Contact you friend tomorrow
Flowers

joeninetey · 01/01/2026 01:51

Is this a riddle ?

CalmShaker · 01/01/2026 01:54

From what I can gather you did the right thing by making a point but I struggled to understand who was who in all of that

climbintheback · 01/01/2026 01:57

Cor blimey O’riley

Potteryclass1 · 01/01/2026 02:03

Yes sorry I realise it wasn’t very clear.
a group of women at a pub at 2pm on New Year’s Eve meeting for a quick drink, weird mix of people via one friend (Zoe).

an extra person turns up (called Lou). Zoe knows Lou. As does one of the other women. Zoe wasn’t keen for Lou to join but it was unavoidable.

Lou spouts a vile and prolonged racist rant about a local family. I know this family to say hello to, but no more than that. They are perfectly pleasant and normal.

Lou’s rant is pure vile racism and I do nothing to tell her it’s that. I am ashamed. I only say….they seem normal. He has a job. She has a job. Their kids are pleasant. They are clean.

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Anxious2024 · 01/01/2026 02:58

I would cut yourself some slack. You sound really lovely, and we are all paralysed at times.

As others have said, the fact that you left was leaving a message.

And if you do have a way of leaving the racist person a message, then I would do it.

Lou sounds really horrible.

LiteraryBambi · 01/01/2026 03:09

Don't beat yourself up about it, honestly. And I say this as a PoC. It's unlikely that anything you would have said would have changed Lou's mind anyway.

I think you should say to Zoe and Em that you really valued seeing them but would rather not spend any time with Lou given that she is racist. Then it is up to them to coordinate meet ups (although it sounds like they'd rather not have Lou around either) in the knowledge that you have clear boundaries in place.

Hopefully Lou might, over time, be ostracised from her friends and that might give her cause for reflection.

Sleepsto5anta · 01/01/2026 03:14

Sometimes all you can do is to leave- it doesn't sound like it was an occasion where challenging her would have her to change her views.

I wouldn't want to be friends with someone with friends like her, i think you should talk to your mutual friend about her views.

hattie43 · 01/01/2026 04:40

Just avoid the woman .

billiongulls · 01/01/2026 05:02

Look, of course it's best to speak up when we hear racism. But it's not always easy to do. I'm sure you will speak up next time, as this has caused you so much remorse. So just try to let it go now and resolve to do better in the future?

Sparklybutold · 01/01/2026 05:12

Some people are dicks. They will continue to be dicks if you say something or not. I wouldn’t be losing sleep over the fact you didn’t say anything. Sometimes, it’s best not too.

Bringemout · 01/01/2026 06:04

Honestly as an ethnic minority, I really appreciate how many times you’ve stood up for people, it’s admirable. But stop beating yourself up, I’ve been in situations (not racism) where someones saying or doing something and I’ve just stood there thinking WTAF, bewildered by whats going on and literally raised zero objection. You can’t always be “on” so stop punishing yourself.

You are upset because you feel you didn’t act according to your own values (honestly you are absolutely fine here). You sound lovely btw, have a lovely new year and let this go! Sometimes all we can do to make the world a better place is to just not be one of the assholes.

Whitewayofdelight · 01/01/2026 07:37

Tbh despite what you read in here the vast majority of people say nothing when racism is used. I am guilty of it myself. If I had skin in the game it may be different but while I wouldn’t not be racist I allow others their opinions even if I don’t agree. I would then distance myself quietly from those I don’t agree with. It’s called keeping the peace. I’m prepared to be called a terrible person but meh

ShawnaMacallister · 01/01/2026 07:41

I understand why you wouldn't have said something in the moment but honestly staying and listening to it is pretty grim - at least you could have made your excuses and left? Did your friend sit through all this too without saying anything?

PersephoneParlormaid · 01/01/2026 07:44

I think that leaving is all you could do, you don’t want to start an argument about it.

LavenderBlue19 · 01/01/2026 07:47

Well, yes you should have said something. I don't really understand why you didn't - presumably if Zoe is a decent person she would have been horrified by the racism herself?

I do think racism should always be called out - and particularly at the moment, when social media seems to be spreading the idea that it's perfectly ok to be racist.

BCBird · 01/01/2026 07:50

Please don't beat yourself up any more. I totally understand how you probably feel like you have been complicit. You will be prepared if u see her again. I am a PoC who has found myself hearing a racist comment and, despite being a confident person, have been a little bit like a rabbit in headlights. It leaves you with a horrible taste in your mouth. Be kind to yourself.

Iocanepowder · 01/01/2026 07:50

Why are you not angry that Zoe didn’t say something?

I really wouldn’t overthink it tbh. However, I do find your need to clarify the family are ‘clean’ as a bit odd.

Muffinmam · 01/01/2026 08:42

I have been absolutely shocked by someone’s racism before. I did say something at the time (multiple times I told them to stop) - but they still continued. Some people are just pieces OS.

In that case there was such rage.

Pedallleur · 01/01/2026 09:05

All you can do is leave or stay quiet, you aren't going to change them. If it's not racist it would be blue badge holders, luxury car driving people claiming benefits, teenage mothers or whatever the GB News/Daily Mail/K.Hopkinson has talked about this week

TalulahJP · 01/01/2026 09:06

you were probably in shock that your nice friends couod know someone so horrible.

next time plans are made i’d be piping up that i trust that racist person won’t be invited as im not wanting to be around her.

and if she came i’d leave or pull her up for it depending on how much i could be bothered dealing with her nonsense. wgats wrong with people. sigh. no need for hatred for no reason.

Busybeemumm · 01/01/2026 09:40

I would be questioning my friendship with the mutual friend. Your values are very different. However often it's hard to say things in the moment so be kind to yourself.

FrumptyHumpty · 01/01/2026 09:53

Don't be so hard on yourself. In this scenario, it's perfectly fine for you not to engage and later ignore/avoid Lou. You don't have to be all Sir Galahad-like and have a massive go at her in order to clear your conscience and have a good night's sleep. Had there been a non-white person there who Lou was abusing verbally and you did nothing to stop it or help, then it would have been very different. Honestly, I'm not white and I think you should relax.

Member869894 · 01/01/2026 10:01

I wonder if Zoe is as nice as you think

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