Social housing on new build estates

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I’m absolutely not looking for a bun fight on council housing tenants, we’re classed as living in affordable housing (shared ownership).

We live on a new build estate, it’s a mix of outright owned/mortgaged, shared ownership & social housing. From what I understand, a certain percentage of new homes have to be allocated for affordable housing or council housing. I imagine they’re moving away from building entirely socially housed ‘council estates’ now?

Half of the estate is houses, a line of part owned properties then quite a few blocks of social housing apartments. I guess my question is, why do they segregate the council tenants from the home owners? I thought they’d be more likely to pepper them throughout the estate now to avoid pockets of antisocial behaviour.

There’s a clear divide between the estate and one side is noticeably less nice. At the same time, some of the houses sell for nearly 500k so people might be apprehensive, rightly or wrongly, about buying where there may be a lot of turnover or perceived antisocial behaviour.

Is there a reason they lump all the affordable housing together then? And should it be considered a good thing?

Because the houses are a different size and because you still have different things in common.

I've lived on estate like this. It wasn't an issue.

The only real issue on the estate (and after I moved out) was a house that owned.

I don't know how to link things on here, but a quick search brings up many reports, including a study from Nottingham Trent university, which show that there is a very significant increase in witnessing and experiencing antisocial behaviour in areas of SH.
Now unless you think that all of that behaviour in those areas is carried out by other people who don't live in social housing but go into the SH areas to carry out the behaviour, then it follows that it is actually carried out by the SH tenants themselves.

That isn’t a statistic - are you saying you don’t have any statistics? (This wouldn’t surprise me, it’s not measured)

only 15% of households in the uk are social housing. To state they are carrying out more anti social behaviour than the other 85% is a punchy claim and isn’t the same as “a significant increasing in witnessing asb”

The trouble is only the absolutely desperate get given social housing, and then you get these hotbeds of really damaged traumatised and dysfunctional people. We need more social housing so that it’s not such an intense mix

I didn't realise we had to not talk about anything unpleasant.

Why shouldn't people talk about difficult behaviour that profoundly impacts their quality of life?

In no way did I mean for it to go this way and I genuinely wasn’t trying to be divisive. I live in the affordable housing part, my mum is a social tenant, my family live on council estates. The majority of the people in the social flats are ‘normal’ families and you’d have no way to tell us apart from the owned side.

There is unfortunately a select few that really ruin it for the majority. Maybe it’s just as bad on the other side? Although they seem to argue more about parking and fences 😂

I may notice it more because I’m opposite it but I’d argue it’s absolutely not normal to have armed police raiding three separate properties. And neighbours physically fighting each other regularly?

My original question was whether you’d have less anti social behaviour if it was more integrated? Or would it just spread further? I don’t know

Those of you implying I deserve it for not being able to afford a mortgage, would you apply the same logic to the home owners also on the boundary? Or the SH tenants who are able to behave themselves like adults

This is true, and has been since austerity

but most desperate might not be who you think. The most desperate are disabled people and they dominate the top of any authorities housing register.

also, whilst it’s true of the housing register and social housing, it is not necessarily true of housing association social rent. They are more flexible.

either way, the vast majority of social housing tenants have already been tenants for a long time and aren’t newly off the housing register. This applies to new builds as much as any other stock.

I agree but sometimes 'absolutely desperate' means you need peace and stability more than most. My friend lives in SH because they escaped domestic abuse but some of the people they are surrounded by make living there very uncomfortable at times, for someone who really doesn't deserve it.

“Those of you implying I deserve it for not being able to afford a mortgage, would you apply the same logic to the home owners also on the boundary? Or the SH tenants who are able to behave themselves like adults”

that’s exactly what they’re saying. Whether shared owner, home owner or private renter, this is where your economic circumstances take you. These are your people, you’re not better than them.

The OP asked why social housing is placed together
This is the answer
Sorry if you do not like it but as developer I have TONS of evidence
I also know buyers attitudes
I live in the real world

Statistics aren’t the same as something some small time developer has witnessed.

These day as there is such a shortage you tend to need problems to get further up the list. For any person with points that will not affect how respectable they are there are points for other issues, My friend waited almost 8 years for a house, some were built on a small brownfield site, just 8 or 10 houses , can’t remember exactly. They are 3 bed, small garden, one car parking space downstairs extra loo, ideal family homes. Half of the houses over the last 4 years have had tenants that cause huge problems, someone got axed in the head last year, screaming, drinking on the doorstep, all manner of anti social behaviour.

When buying always look at crime rates. It’s the ASBO areas you want to avoid, it’s places that have problems that spill on to the street. It’s easy enough to look up crime rates for any road in the UK. Just like you can look at road traffic accident areas. Where I live loads of motorcyclist die. The place in my town with a lot of ASBO crimes is the local council estate.

There are various issues associated with social housing BUT because there is now so little it tends to end up with a disproportionate number of 'troubled' households

Now if there was more social housing and better services for troubled households...........

So you would be happy to buy next to a criminal then
So you think being a criminal is ok for society
Do you personally deal drugs?

My understanding is some local authorities do this, others do not. I know someone who was offered a new build ALMO flat on such an estate and the guy who put her new flooring in told her that the social housing flats were more spacious because the minimum size for social housing is regulated, whereas private housing is not. The person I knew said you couldn't really tell who was in social housing and who wasn't.

Plenty of criminals in the million pound houses near us

Could I just ask a serious, curious question, is a shared ownership home classed as social housing, or is it classed as affordable housing?

It’s affordable which is a social housing tenure

Mixed developments are supposed to be the best for cohesive communities.

(Yes there was some research on this so years ago).

When I was living on this estate I was aware of some people who wouldn't consider moving to it because of the social housing. Ironically it's one of the most sought after estates in the area now. It's a nice place to live.

I now live next to a council estate. It's never bothering me. No problems. I have been asked by someone else about it when they were moving and considering a house that backed onto it.

Theres more issues with the million pound+ houses in the main road a couple of streets away having loud parties, you can hear from where we live!

Yeah deal loads of drugs personally!

wtf are you on about?

drug dealers usually have to live in dodgy private rented housing since unless they have a sophisticated money laundering arm they can’t stick their money in a bank account to set up a direct debit to the housing association or mortgage company 🤣

Its social housing. Lots of people think social housing = council housing.

They have no clue that there's council housing, housing association housing and shared ownership housing that all fall under the social housing umbrella. All of which have very different characteristics and types of resident.

This is true

Likewise I got an asbo against my neighbours many years ago- 2 lawyers who lived in a £1m flat above mine and had parties all night 😁

You're not wrong, but savvy developers have found techniques to renegotiate (usually down) their responsibilities.

Hopefully Labour's Delayed Homes Penalty will address some of this.

Jesus!

I can assure you the residents with a drug problem most definitely lived in the houses they bought for over £600,000 and NOT in the housing association homes.

This is what really amuses me.