Social housing on new build estates

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I’m absolutely not looking for a bun fight on council housing tenants, we’re classed as living in affordable housing (shared ownership).

We live on a new build estate, it’s a mix of outright owned/mortgaged, shared ownership & social housing. From what I understand, a certain percentage of new homes have to be allocated for affordable housing or council housing. I imagine they’re moving away from building entirely socially housed ‘council estates’ now?

Half of the estate is houses, a line of part owned properties then quite a few blocks of social housing apartments. I guess my question is, why do they segregate the council tenants from the home owners? I thought they’d be more likely to pepper them throughout the estate now to avoid pockets of antisocial behaviour.

There’s a clear divide between the estate and one side is noticeably less nice. At the same time, some of the houses sell for nearly 500k so people might be apprehensive, rightly or wrongly, about buying where there may be a lot of turnover or perceived antisocial behaviour.

Is there a reason they lump all the affordable housing together then? And should it be considered a good thing?

People shouldn't have to live in chaos but sadly our society has failed them so badly that they don't know how to do anything else.

Ok well you are where you're meant to be. More houses were needed. They were built.

Lol ok. It's a professional role, I'll give you that.

@SquishedpassengerYou still didn’t answer my question though - have you lived next to anti social neighbours and did you think “I’m where I need to be” and accept it?

I grew up in Tower Hamlets! Some if the undesirables lived in my home, let alone next door...

And do these people have any agency, can they maybe take some personal responsibility?
Perhaps in trying to be kind, we've been cruel.

@SquishedpassengerAnd were you Ok with it? Did you accept it and think “this is where I’m meant to be”?

Could you expand a bit on this? I am not sure I quite understand what you mean? Was this my destiny? Written in the stars? Pre-ordained by a divine being to purge my soul for the next world? I quite like this last idea as it allows me some hope.

Or is it the result of a society which has become so “non judgemental” that we excuse and explain other people‘s bad/poor choices by saying they are the result of their poor upbringing and social background? We absolve them of all responsibility for their own actions and criticise those people who call them out for behaviours they could (and would) change if the privilege of access to social housing and receipt of state benefits were linked to them not making life a misery for their (usually tax paying) neighbours?

That's the thing. They have very little agency. Choices are only options if they are accessible. In some areas of their life, the most important areas, the people you are talking about have very few accessible choices. I understood that growing up in that environment but have a different depth of how it really works from a professional perspective. Especially as in my role, you do develop a sort of social rapport with the community alongside a professional one.

They live in a country with free schooling, a welfare safety net, a roof over their heads, food, and free medical care. This is already a massive, massive advantage over most people globally.

I'm failing to see what isn't accessible for them. It sounds like more of a mindset thing.

I also suspect that there's a whole industry (and you sound like you work in the area) that actually make a living off the fact that there's a proportion of society who are dysfunctional.

You bought a home or rented it or whatever some time ago when it was in an area where there wasnt many SH residents, at least not enough for the number of undesirable tenants to be of notice.

Over time, our population has grown and we need more homes. Your area had the space to build new homes and so they were built. This increased the number of SH residents to a point where the number of undesirable tenants are now very noticeable.

The thing that hadnt changed is that this area is still the nicest area you can afford.

I mean, no, NHS HCPs definitely do not profit from the additional needs of the lowest socioeconomic groups. Not when we are already understaffed and stretched beyond all imagination.

Yeah obviously. I'm still there even now I have more choice. I could do my job anywhere in the country and many places around the world.

@Bambamhoohoo A good place to look for stats plus as you know your own area you can then consider the data is on the interactive police crime stats map. I just checked areas of my town. There was a big clump of crime, turned out all shoplifting at the Co op on the council estate. Two ASB in the local High street and then 10 ASB on the local estate, violence and sexual offences had the majority on the estate.

@SquishedpassengerOk, so I guess that’s your choice. But you don’t get to tell others that they should put up and shut up, just because you’re used to living with appalling behaviour.

The last part of your post sounds like some on this thread 😂
I mean most of us were brought up in sh, I’m only early 20s and moved out of my mums sh house when I was 16 so we are talking less than ten years ago here. We’re “snobs” for acknowledging it’s understandable to be pissed off if you spend hundreds of thousands on a house and have to watch someone else across the street get the same house practically for free and then proceed to terrorise the neighbourhood.

I privately rent in the old part of town so I haven’t even got a dog in the homeowner vs sh tenant new build estate fight but the frustration is understandable

I know how to look up crime stats

You’re not a snob. You’re just trying to pull the ladder up after you.

thank god for bleeding heart lefties otherwise you never would’ve had any social housing to grow up in.

pulling the ladder up after you is a common reaction, emotionally rooted in shame.

I didnt say put up, I said be part of the change you want to see given that you have no other accessible choices but to live where you can afford.

I am a SH Tenant and totally agree with You .
My own youngest DCs are still at Home ... no chance of them moving out in the foreseeable (which is ok by Me)

I would have been fine mother privately rented for the first half of my childhood, it was only when we moved into a very nice house super cheap rent and neighbours who were completely scumbags that I realised some people get given shit for free and still destroy it. And I moved out as soon as I could (16) and privately rented my own place from 18. Now having to see council tenants pay barely anything for bigger houses than what I live in and still expect sympathy online crying that people are “snobs” for not wanting to live near their bs

I’m confused: how is she trying to pull up the ladder? By renting a property?

Do you think I’m trying to pull up the ladder behind me by moving because I didn’t want to raise my two young children next door to a violent drug dealer whose firebombed car was left on my doorstep?

Last year a nine year old girl was shot in the head whilst sitting in a restaurant a few minutes from my old flat, caught up in the crossfire between feuding gangs. Are young families who now choose to leave the area “emotionally rooted in shame” because they’d prefer not to risk their child ending up dead at the hands of depraved individuals roaming the streets with guns?

Would you have liked to live next door to the gunman? He lived in a SH property in Tottenham, close to some of my family members, where members of his gang terrorise the mainly law abiding, peaceful residents on the estate. Presumably those residents also have unresolved issues of self-hatred if they want to leave as well🙄

There is limited research but in the study below divorce rates were lower than that of civilians?

Why would you barely be able to attend work? Over 60% of families with a 0-5 year old use formal childcare. They arent all barely attending work. As for isolation you are allowed to interact with non family members and make friends.

You talk about inequality and social mobility as a problem that requires no personal sacrifice or responsiblity. I got degree, a decent job and became a home owner because I made sacrifices and worked hard.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&rct=j&url=hvrtmacveteranshealthdotorg.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/divorce-mini-report.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjChv-Q6aiRAxVZS0EAHaCrOkgQy_kOegQIAxAB&opi=89978449&cd&psig=AOvVaw2w_YSojlaLdSSirv7yb1r9&ust=1765105661846000

To be fair, those drugs gangs are selling to the new middle class market around there. The top dealers have moved out to places like Southgate but Tottenham and Hackney are still where they make the most money hence the feud. This type of thing didnt happen in the way that happened before Hackney "changed" (ie gentrification).

You’re not confused are you? You are well aware that not all SH tenants are the examples you provide.

pulling the ladder up is a common phrase, used to describe people happy to accept societal support when it benefits them but not wishing anyone else (who they view as less deserving) the same.

In fact they don’t even view them as less deserving- they, like you, view them as some big scary dangerous mass that must be stopped.

also seen in immigrants who are anti more immigrants