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Labour isn't working - Thread 22

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TheNuthatch · 26/11/2025 19:56

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Legolava · 30/11/2025 11:06

EasternStandard · 30/11/2025 11:01

I think most people on here asking for higher taxes mean someone else. When they realise Labour mean them they won’t be so smug about that.

It'll leave Labour with a few retired supporters who are not impacted by tax bands.

The only people I have see supporting Labour are either retired public sector workers and welfare claimants. It kind of says it all.

EasternStandard · 30/11/2025 11:12

Legolava · 30/11/2025 11:06

The only people I have see supporting Labour are either retired public sector workers and welfare claimants. It kind of says it all.

Yep I think that’s where they’re at or will be soon.

strawberrybubblegum · 30/11/2025 11:14

redange · 30/11/2025 10:12

twistyizzy · Today 09:51

justasking111 · Today 09:47
Friend is a bursar in a private school. They've been working on their VAT reclaim too which is going to be huge because of recent building improvement projects 😀😀
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Yep never been able to reclaim it before but now they can.
Our school refurbed the swimming pool and created new netball courts 2 years ago plus did a re-build + refurb of part of the school around 5 years ago. Probably going on over £1m which they can now re-claim VAT on.

This Government don't understand that 'stupid' and financially wrongly added up policies have unforeseen consequences. In this case if you turn Charities in to Businesses, they act like Businesses . However, I do hope that the 'wealthy' Private schools use reclaimed VAT for Bursaries and for 'Community' work. Thus, highlighting the benefits they bring to education in the United Kingdom, also showing up that the VAT policy was not about bringing any benefit, but just ideology. I have said if they wanted to reduce the number of Private schools in order to 'improve' education and not have an economic bloodbath allow a large number of provincial 'Grammar' School type Independent Schools to join/re the state system. However, of course they have no intention of improving education nor any real interest, in ensuring the numbers predicted to leave the Private Sector were accurate. This, again shows the Labour Government could not give two 'hoots' in running accurate budgets,just a desire to engage political damage to hundreds of years of British educational history.

I do hope that the 'wealthy' Private schools use reclaimed VAT for Bursaries and for 'Community' work. Thus, highlighting the benefits they bring to education in the United Kingdom

I don't. I hope they use it to reduce fees for parents.

That's how VAT is meant to work - it's paid on the whole value added in creating the good or service, but each company along the chain of producing it charges VAT only on the value they themselves have added, so that it all adds up at the end - paid for by the end consumer. The school was the end consumer previously, and so paid VAT on building works etc. But now the government is saying the entire educational offering is the VAT-able product and the parent is the end consumer.

It' would be completely against how VAT is meant to work if the school didn't deduct the VAT they paid on VAT-able goods like sports centre building ... which they use to produce the final offering of an education (which parents pay VAT on). If they included the poat-VAT cost into the fees - and VAT was charged on the whole lot - then the parents would be paying that VAT twice (more than twice actually, since they would even be paying VAT on the VAT!!). Absolutely no one does that.

And private schools don't need to prove any more "benefits they bring to education in the United Kingdom". The benefit private schools bring to education in the UK is to educate their students well, creating more effective citizens and workers of the future. That's enough. It's much, much more public benefit than many charities bring who aren't being penalised by Labour, such as donkey sanctuaries. No bursaries or community work is needed. None.

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TheRubyRedshoes · 30/11/2025 11:17

@hamstersarse thanks for doing a deep dive on that.

So essentially as we have already mentioned the money could have been spefically directed to where it's needed.

So if mold is a main issue for her as per the chat she had with NHS nurses who said stop poverty ( to stop mold ) the best thing would have been a mold team

Create a crack team of mold specialists!
It's an issue in the UK ,a lot of our housing stock isn't helping

I saw a program once showing a council house with a pipe of running water down the side of the council flats which has mold inside and it was left for a year ,that's how the program closed..
.ie they are still waiting !

I'm all against mold and mold does kill.
But many houses in all demographics have and struggle with it.

So why not create a team of experts and specialists to roll out support and guidance

Parsley4321 · 30/11/2025 11:27

I hope they spend the vat reclaimed on things to benefit the s hook. Fuck giving it to the communities that’s how it was before vat came along

SpaceRaccoon · 30/11/2025 11:27

I saw a program once showing a council house with a pipe of running water down the side of the council flats which has mold inside and it was left for a year ,that's how the program closed..
.ie they are still waiting !

I saw that. The sheer incompetence and mismanagement of the housing stock blows my mind.
I've only lived in one place that was prone to mould, and there was an issue with the external cladding that affected all the flats.

Also stop inflicting stupid green initiatives on council tenants - I belong to a couple of heat pump groups on facebook and the amount of poorly installed installs into unsuitable properties is mindboggling. They're also given no instructions on the best way to run them, and in some cases not even the pin for the control unit - imagine being blocked from your own heating controls that you pay for.
You then have people, largely on low incomes, who suddently have electricity bills in the hundreds every month and a freezing cold house.

redange · 30/11/2025 11:50

I presume we have normal Political relations with Bangladesh. Therefore if expected Tulip Siddiq is sentenced to up to ten years for 'corruption' offences, she must be striped of the Labour Whip. She must also be forced out of Parliament as a MP (it is up to herself and legal team to fight extradition) and a By Election must be called. Otherwise, we are not respecting a country we have 'normal' therefore respect for their Government and judicial decisions.
Ex-City minister Tulip Siddiq faces decade-long jail sentence if found guilty in corruption trial | Daily Mail Online

Tulip Siddiq faces decade-long jail sentence if found guilty in trial

Ms Siddiq, 43, is accused of pressuring her aunt Sheikh Hasina to gift plots of land to her mother, Sheikh Rehana, 70, her elder brother Radwan, 45, and her younger sister Azmina, 35, in Dhaka

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15338753/Tulip-Siddiq-jail-corruption-trial.html

strawberrybubblegum · 30/11/2025 11:53

SpaceRaccoon · 30/11/2025 11:27

I saw a program once showing a council house with a pipe of running water down the side of the council flats which has mold inside and it was left for a year ,that's how the program closed..
.ie they are still waiting !

I saw that. The sheer incompetence and mismanagement of the housing stock blows my mind.
I've only lived in one place that was prone to mould, and there was an issue with the external cladding that affected all the flats.

Also stop inflicting stupid green initiatives on council tenants - I belong to a couple of heat pump groups on facebook and the amount of poorly installed installs into unsuitable properties is mindboggling. They're also given no instructions on the best way to run them, and in some cases not even the pin for the control unit - imagine being blocked from your own heating controls that you pay for.
You then have people, largely on low incomes, who suddently have electricity bills in the hundreds every month and a freezing cold house.

This is the second structural reason why socialism never works, and always makes life worse for everyone.

The first is that productivity nose-dives if people don't benefit from their own hard work/risks/achievements.

But the second is that centralising the operation of state services always results in worse outcomes than giving control to the people who actually enjoy the benefit/suffer the consequences.

It's all about incentives, always. And Labour just can't seem to stretch their minds to consider what will actually happen. Greens are worse, and Lib Dems are pretty poor at it too. Why do people struggle so much with thinking through to that second step?!?

  1. Government does x
  2. People change their behaviour to y

Sure, it's not an exact science... but they don't even try.

carrythecan · 30/11/2025 11:58

DancingFerret · 30/11/2025 08:56

We're just off to watch an aircraft carrier (Prince of Wales) returning to Portsmouth, so I'm putting LK into record to watch later. (It's going to be freezing hanging around in a boat on the Solent.🥶)

In the meantime, there's this article by Dan Hodges. What surprises me is no-one is mentioning the depressive effect of the delayed Budget on the general public together with the flattened retail trade in the run-up to Christmas.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-15338459/Reeves-lucky-punishment-shameful-deceit-loss-job-DAN-HODGES.html

I think the reason that nobody is really mentioning the effect the delayed budget, along with the constant speculation, has had on businesses is that it’s still purely anecdotal. It has definitely had a massive impact on the sector our business is in (hospitality and retail) but figures won’t be released by the larger traders until after the end of the quarter.

redange · 30/11/2025 12:18

I am thinking does a single day go past when this Government or the Labour Party have not done something wrong, immoral or presented themselves as a 'shambolic' embarrassment to the country.

EasternStandard · 30/11/2025 12:28

redange · 30/11/2025 12:18

I am thinking does a single day go past when this Government or the Labour Party have not done something wrong, immoral or presented themselves as a 'shambolic' embarrassment to the country.

There’s still some on here who think they’re doing well.

Labour forever and all that.

twistyizzy · 30/11/2025 12:29

EasternStandard · 30/11/2025 12:28

There’s still some on here who think they’re doing well.

Labour forever and all that.

We are down to a handful now

EasternStandard · 30/11/2025 12:34

twistyizzy · 30/11/2025 12:29

We are down to a handful now

Bizarre isn’t it.

The local elections are a while away but I’m looking forward to that. Let’s see how well received this budget is.

TheNuthatch · 30/11/2025 12:47

I try not to get too excited when there are murmurings of Reeves or Starmer being axed, but I really think that Reeves is in serious trouble here. By implication, Starmer too.
These lies about the forecast have not landed well anywhere. It speaks volumes that the OBR took the unusual step of publishing their forecasts - with dates.

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CambridgeSingers · 30/11/2025 12:49

Yes, it’s desperate - of a piece with how they’ve treated advice from all the professional economists so far!

Legolava · 30/11/2025 12:57

In the financial sector you’d be sacked for doing such a thing. You wouldn’t work in the sector again. Mad that arguably the biggest financial office in the country thinks they can get away with it.

EasternStandard · 30/11/2025 13:00

I can’t believe anyone thinks they’ve handled this well, there are still a few.

Even if Reeves / Starmer stay I’m pretty sure making as many people as possible loathe you is not a winning political strategy.

People can’t stand them.

TheRubyRedshoes · 30/11/2025 13:01

I don't feel excited because I wonder whose waiting on the wings!

Catatemyhomework · 30/11/2025 13:04

I don't see how they can stay, but I worry about who will takeover.

EasternStandard · 30/11/2025 13:07

Tbh I’ll be surprised if they go but who knows maybe they will. Either way Labour will lose more support.

redange · 30/11/2025 13:18

Can you imagine the 'outrage' from the left if a Conservative or Reform MP or someone holding an important position had family links to fraud and corruption.

justasking111 · 30/11/2025 13:24

redange · 30/11/2025 13:18

Can you imagine the 'outrage' from the left if a Conservative or Reform MP or someone holding an important position had family links to fraud and corruption.

I wonder about the morals of some labour supporters. Are they working the system on a much smaller scale?

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 13:27

Foreign nationals shouldn't run another country IMHO.

catspyjamas1 · 30/11/2025 13:41

Julen7 · 30/11/2025 09:40

I can’t really understand, if the black hole had indeed been filled, why Reeves wasn’t boasting about it rather than trying to hide it?

From what I gathered so far, 1. welfare spending and 2. keeping Labour MPs sweet to stave off a rebellion within the party.

Trevor Phillips was good on Sky News this morning questioning RR I thought. The more I hear and read, the angrier I am. FCA investigation and sacking needed, possible criminal charges imo. Dread to think what comes out in the OBR update tomorrow.