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Richard Tice comments re autism and ear defenders

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Overthemhills · 19/11/2025 18:16

I’m so tired of the anti-disability rhetoric everywhere on various sites and from various politicians. This one - Tice calling the sight of children wearing ear defenders in school “insane” is about the most stupid and cruel barrel-scraping comments a politician has come out with for a very long time.
My child is disabled but undiagnosed and does not use ear defenders so I have little on the way of skin in the game, or this particular game, but just how low do some people want to go to make the lives of people struggling with disability worse - on top of the cost of living and NHS issues.
I’m starting to think I will need to avoid every news item and social media platform until the next general election at this rate.

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TheCorrsDidDreamsBetter · 20/11/2025 13:29

Jade3450 · 20/11/2025 13:20

Yes, I agree with this part of it:

“And stop labelling people, just say ‘you need a bit of extra support, you might need a bit of extra time’.”

To play Devil’s advocate, it’s often the labelling that’s the problem. Unfortunately, his sensible comment about this has been overshadowed by everyone losing their shit because he mentioned ear defenders.

The wider point is that with a heavy focus on diagnosis of neurodiverse children we risk failing to build resilience in young people who struggle with things they will nevertheless have to come across in life. These are children who can and should thrive in a mainstream setting given the correct help, but who also need to learn coping skills that will help them participate in the world of work later on.

My DD is AuDHD and was offered the chance to leave her lessons and sit in a ‘quiet room’ if she felt overwhelmed. Eventually she said to me, ‘The thing is Mum, it’s not going to help me in the long run’. I think she’s right.

By all means give the kid the ear defenders, but work with them to get to a point where they can manage without them.

By all means give the kid the ear defenders, but work with them to get to a point where they can manage without them.

And what if that time is never?

Sensory sensitivities don't just go away. You aren't desensitised to them. You just mask the pain and discomfort which suits everybody else as they're not having to make any adaptations.

You can't discipline, manage or therapise the autism out of somebody. There should be no need to get anybody to the place where they no longer "need" ear defenders or other sensory aids. They impact nobody negatively.

menopausalfart · 20/11/2025 13:29

Portlypig · 20/11/2025 13:21

What ‘way things were’ are you referring to?

Where children with disabilities were housed in institutions away from society.
When kids with neurodiversity were considered naughty or stupid.

Teanbiscuits33 · 20/11/2025 13:30

Jade3450 · 20/11/2025 13:20

Yes, I agree with this part of it:

“And stop labelling people, just say ‘you need a bit of extra support, you might need a bit of extra time’.”

To play Devil’s advocate, it’s often the labelling that’s the problem. Unfortunately, his sensible comment about this has been overshadowed by everyone losing their shit because he mentioned ear defenders.

The wider point is that with a heavy focus on diagnosis of neurodiverse children we risk failing to build resilience in young people who struggle with things they will nevertheless have to come across in life. These are children who can and should thrive in a mainstream setting given the correct help, but who also need to learn coping skills that will help them participate in the world of work later on.

My DD is AuDHD and was offered the chance to leave her lessons and sit in a ‘quiet room’ if she felt overwhelmed. Eventually she said to me, ‘The thing is Mum, it’s not going to help me in the long run’. I think she’s right.

By all means give the kid the ear defenders, but work with them to get to a point where they can manage without them.

But why should they manage without them? These people have processing needs. Would you think a person with mobility issues should manage without a walking stick or a wheelchair? No. So why ear defenders? If they went out in to the world of work as an adult, what would be the issue with them continuing to wear ear defenders?

Portlypig · 20/11/2025 13:33

menopausalfart · 20/11/2025 13:29

Where children with disabilities were housed in institutions away from society.
When kids with neurodiversity were considered naughty or stupid.

There is a colossal time gap between ‘institutions’ and the rise in SEN we are seeing now.

GentleSheep · 20/11/2025 13:34

By all means give the kid the ear defenders, but work with them to get to a point where they can manage without them.

In my case there is never a time when I can manage without them, and I say this nearly 70 years into hyperacusis. There's no cure. It reminds me of when I was at secondary school, probably around 13 years old, when the sports mistress said my mother should take the starting pistol home so I could 'practise hearing it' and get used to it! Needless to say (thankfully) that didn't happen. I endured many sports days stuffing my fingers in my ears because of the starting pistol. I was not allowed to miss the annual event. To this day I would not be able to endure it. I still have to go out of the house when workmen come to do work, or put ear defenders on if it's not too extreme.

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/11/2025 13:39

Portlypig · 20/11/2025 13:12

We pay far too much in CT as it is, it’s basically just a social care tax which individuals see little benefit from.

You may pay far too much in CT but Barry Elliott, Reform councillor doesn't.🙈

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2039wvjz64o?app-referrer=deep-link

The reality is that we all benefit from CT, including expenditure on social care. That some individuals can't see it is a result their individual perception and feelings, not reality.

Barry Elliott has short greying hair, combed forwards from the temples, with a slight peak at the forehead and a grizzled white grey beard and slight moustache. He is wearing a black coat with the collar up. He is mid sentence, with his mouth open and...

Blyth Reform councillor Barry Elliott's property firms owe customers £140,000

Property companies owned or run by Barry Elliott owe tens of thousands of pounds to customers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2039wvjz64o?app-referrer=deep-link

Lougle · 20/11/2025 13:43

SEN has risen, and EHCPs have risen. Detailed analysis would need to be done to get the true statistics though, because the age range of EHCPs is higher than statements of educational need. It always used to be about 2.1% of children with a Statement of SEN. Now it's about 5% with EHCPs. Some of that will be the extension to age 25, some will be the impact of COVID, some will be schools not using Quality First Provision effectively, some will be the curriculum changes that have made it harder for children with SEN to keep up.

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/11/2025 13:52

Teanbiscuits33 · 20/11/2025 13:30

But why should they manage without them? These people have processing needs. Would you think a person with mobility issues should manage without a walking stick or a wheelchair? No. So why ear defenders? If they went out in to the world of work as an adult, what would be the issue with them continuing to wear ear defenders?

If you scratch below the surface you'll find the anti-disabled resent people with obvious disabilities too. It's seen across SEN threads, PIP threads, disabled parking threads, disabled people on TV etc.

Oioiqueen · 20/11/2025 14:02

Whilst I am not autistic or diagnosed ADHD I get overwhelmed with noise. I wear loop ear plugs to regulate, they are also particularly effective at drowning out absolute bell ends like Tice and 30p Lee. I think they just get vile and I am fed up of politicians feeling they can just pick on the disabled than their wanky mates who are jumping through every loophole.

menopausalfart · 20/11/2025 14:08

@TooBigForMyBoots I've seen people look at my DD with distaste. A girl who brings so much joy to the lives of those lucky enough to know her.

Didwesayitall · 20/11/2025 14:11

Portlypig · 20/11/2025 12:23

I think we should stop spending money on DLA and re channel it into large, practical day care centres for children who are unlikely to significantly progress. So they can do enjoyable activities day to day, respite can be provided, and for the most profound cases there is continuity of care.

So are one-size-fits-all? What's next, an institution.

And for the "less profound" (i.e: "doesn't affect other people around them so who cares about their needs"), they can fall by the wayside and suffer in silence as usual then.

Didwesayitall · 20/11/2025 14:15

Portlypig · 20/11/2025 13:00

I don’t think there’s a simple fix, I don’t think there’s any fix. The need is now far beyond what we as a country can reasonably provide. I think we all know this deep down. Everyone is entitled to an education but that doesn’t mean the best that money can buy.

I doubt anyone is getting "the best that money can buy" unless they actually have money (the wealthy in society). Even with all the help, most people are barely scrapping by.

SleeplessInWherever · 20/11/2025 15:47

Portlypig · 20/11/2025 13:13

289k on a course isn’t a ‘basic human right’, many people are getting far more than their fair share.

Yes. Well some people have more than their “fair share” of disabilities. So swings, and also roundabouts.

Jade3450 · 20/11/2025 15:55

TheCorrsDidDreamsBetter · 20/11/2025 13:29

By all means give the kid the ear defenders, but work with them to get to a point where they can manage without them.

And what if that time is never?

Sensory sensitivities don't just go away. You aren't desensitised to them. You just mask the pain and discomfort which suits everybody else as they're not having to make any adaptations.

You can't discipline, manage or therapise the autism out of somebody. There should be no need to get anybody to the place where they no longer "need" ear defenders or other sensory aids. They impact nobody negatively.

I don’t agree that you can’t ‘manage’ autism, actually. An increasing number of clinical psychologists agree and are rejecting neuroaffirmation. Autistic people are just as capable of learning and changing as non-autistic people. All brains are wired in different ways, and they rewire as we learn new things. Therapy and therapeutic practises like EMDR can really help, and it’s extremely self-limiting to think otherwise.

Just because there’s no cure for autism it doesn’t mean the symptoms can’t be managed.

It’s an unpopular opinion I know, and many people will simply dismiss it as being ‘anti-disabled’ (which I find rude and reductionist), but that’s not my problem so 🤷‍♀️

Fearfulsaints · 20/11/2025 16:24

Portlypig · 20/11/2025 13:13

289k on a course isn’t a ‘basic human right’, many people are getting far more than their fair share.

Its fair to say the cost was astronomical which is why the judge called it out.

but the article refers to it as accommodation and talks about children's homes/social care placement. Im not going to defend someone profiteering but I dont think this its quite right to describe it as a course. The articles also refer to him receiving a deprivation of liberty order.

The judge does say that it is common in these types of cases to see these huge bills, but I dont know how common these cases are. It was the family court, not the send tribunal so quite a different thing.

TheCorrsDidDreamsBetter · 20/11/2025 17:53

Jade3450 · 20/11/2025 15:55

I don’t agree that you can’t ‘manage’ autism, actually. An increasing number of clinical psychologists agree and are rejecting neuroaffirmation. Autistic people are just as capable of learning and changing as non-autistic people. All brains are wired in different ways, and they rewire as we learn new things. Therapy and therapeutic practises like EMDR can really help, and it’s extremely self-limiting to think otherwise.

Just because there’s no cure for autism it doesn’t mean the symptoms can’t be managed.

It’s an unpopular opinion I know, and many people will simply dismiss it as being ‘anti-disabled’ (which I find rude and reductionist), but that’s not my problem so 🤷‍♀️

I didn't say you can't manage autism. I said you can't manage it out of somebody.

You can't make an autistic person neurotypical with training and you can't reduce sensory sensitivities by denying sensory aids.

Sharptonguedwoman · 20/11/2025 18:10

SilenceInside · 19/11/2025 18:30

My child has an autism diagnosis and uses ear defenders in the classroom on occasion, more often in the assembly hall. I can guarantee you that his teachers don't want him not to have them and they don't think it's insane. They are trained professionals who understand that it's a reasonable adjustment and increases his ability to participate in learning rather than decreases it.

Richard Tice is a tool. If I ever had the misfortune to meet him, he would wish that he had ear defenders.

Well said. He's an absolute nob.

Overthemhills · 20/11/2025 19:53

@Portlypig
Did you actually read the link you sent?
Do you know that children who are “looked after” are not children with disabilities?
Fid you know that. Looked after “ children are either voluntarily surrendered by their parents or taken by Court after social services involvement.
Although traumatised and abused, they aren’t necessarily (or often) disabled…did you know that?
Do you realise that the “day care” centres you propose pertain, at best to a very small amount of severely disabled children who have precisely the same right to education that any other child does?
Did you know that DLA apparently costs the government £4.5 billion pounds last year?
£150.7 billion was spent on pensioners.

No-one suggests rounding pensioners up into centres and depriving them of freedom or financial independence.

Why not cut the £13.3 billion in Child Benefit? Completely ..
Why not level those children all the way down to if parents can’t afford to pay for EVERYTHING for their children don’t have them or whatever you propose we do with them once they are here.

Universal Credit - of which apparently only 38% of recipients are in work which cost £87.8 billion last year. Cut that off and have families living on the streets?

Could it be… that disabled children have no voice and hence can be the first to be scapegoated and have services cut?

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ChattyGeePeaTea · 20/11/2025 20:08

Portlypig · 20/11/2025 12:24

In cases like this, I don’t think the placement should’ve been granted, no.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9v12dwddmwo.amp

This isn't even comparing apples with oranges, this is comparing apples with hippopotamuses.

This wasn't an educational placement organised under an EHCP. This was a specialist "assessment and intervention" placement in circumstances where the young person was being made subject to a Deprivation of Liberty order (DOLS) after being exploited in county lines, and the placement had to be approved by a family court judge sitting in the Court of Protection. More akin to a placement in a children's home than a school.

Overthemhills · 21/11/2025 09:04

@ChattyGeePeaTea
One of the many problems with so many know-it-alls about “fancy free Motability cars” etc the cost of welfare benefits is that a lot of people are ignorant of the distinction between looked after children and disabled children.

It’s bad enough that they don’t recognise that Motability isn’t government run or funded and they confuse and conflate the purpose of PIP and DLA (the extra costs of disability) with the purpose and eligibility for Motability but this particular ignorance about looked after children is quite shocking. I’ll leave out that they object to the stated purpose of DLA/PIP being not for specified costs but is to be spent as the disabled person wishes.

A lot of people don’t seem to understand what an EHCP is either.

They see the word “placement” and assume school settings as opposed to precisely what that case was about- being sent to a children’s home.
What they then miss is that a) children’s homes do exist still (they often only find out when one is being purchased in their leafy suburb and then they protest to the council and
b) they are not basic council run facilities but private residential homes that are very profitable for the owners with children being cared for 24/7 often with 2-1 carers for their safety and staff safety.
C) That those children were failed first by their parents who beat, raped, starved, locked up and other horrific things that lead to the children committing crimes and/or becoming severely traumatised and hence are drawn to crime, anti-social behaviour, addiction and county lines gangs.

None of that has anything to do with having educational needs and/or being physically disabled.

The thread was started about Motability cars and as usual becomes a pit of misinformation and rage about how children with additional needs get more than regular children.

It’s a statement of how much damage austerity and so on has done to morale when people resent a child having access to the opportunity to learn. The distaste for disability is evident in the talk about children “who are unlikely to progress much” - we should just round them up and let them play and stop causing resentment by having extra time to take exams or having extra funding to access a vehicle that enables a wheelchair to be used in it.

I presume children are soft targets, which is why it’s seen as fair game.

A lot of these people will have proudly worn poppies to support those who fought against the Nazis who had exactly the same thoughts about the disabled.
They’ll wear poppies to support disabled elderly former soldiers because they worked I suppose. Again a remarkable overlap with National Socialism where one’s value was determined by one’s ability to work until you dropped dead.

People pretend that it’s just the cost of disability that bothers them but some commentators above on this thread and some politicians firmly believe that it’s “not fair” that regular children and regular people should have to brush up against disability, let alone have to tolerate basic accommodations for them or them being allowed to live dignified lives.
Work doesn’t make you free, even if it was in steel above Auschwitz - work makes you able to contribute to the economic model we live with, it helps make life fulfilling if it’s not bone-crushing and unfairly paid. If profit wasn’t put before humanity maybe things wouldn’t be so bleak.

I remember the American woman who was so proud of her son joining the army and very pro-war later railing against the US government and crying when he was killed in combat (the story was depicted in Fahrenheit 9/11) - I think of that a lot when I see people making remarks like the ones on this thread. If or when it’s their child or grandchild or sister or sister’s child or beloved parent and so on perhaps the sadness and rage for how little society respects the basic dignity of their beloved will feel justified to them for the first time.

I wonder if they’ll then reevaluate the comments about putting trackers on Motability cars, putting severely disabled children in day care centres, or worse institutions away from their parents who love them and care for them, the why should THEY get extra time/money when my perfectly regular child does not etc.

I wonder what those people will hope the government will do for them when it’s their turn - and it will be. If it isn’t a disabled child it will be a parent with dementia (let’s round all them up into day care) or strokes or cancer or going blind or severe arthritis-..
It will be their child needing government funds if they lose their job and the job market is poor, when they can’t get a job because all the disabled are in the menial jobs that (as they think, is all they can do) and they can no longer support them with a decent living wage because they voted against an increase in minimum wage and stopping universal credit etc.

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PennywisePoundFoolish · 21/11/2025 10:50

Fearfulsaints · 20/11/2025 16:24

Its fair to say the cost was astronomical which is why the judge called it out.

but the article refers to it as accommodation and talks about children's homes/social care placement. Im not going to defend someone profiteering but I dont think this its quite right to describe it as a course. The articles also refer to him receiving a deprivation of liberty order.

The judge does say that it is common in these types of cases to see these huge bills, but I dont know how common these cases are. It was the family court, not the send tribunal so quite a different thing.

It's frustrating that people don't read that case properly. It's not a fun activity placement because he has ADHD, but the media has done a great job of making it appear that way. I guess they know their target demographic will fail to actually read it properly 🙄

PennywisePoundFoolish · 21/11/2025 11:01

I'd say politicians are targeting disabled adults and children because there's actually a lot of public support for this to happen. Though I no longer have to endure the school gates, I had parents that were unhappy mine had support because they felt their child would do so much better with it instead, and basically it was a waste of time giving anything to mine. I've seen similar comments online including mumsnet, and the support for that view seems to be increasing.

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2025 12:14

PennywisePoundFoolish · 21/11/2025 11:01

I'd say politicians are targeting disabled adults and children because there's actually a lot of public support for this to happen. Though I no longer have to endure the school gates, I had parents that were unhappy mine had support because they felt their child would do so much better with it instead, and basically it was a waste of time giving anything to mine. I've seen similar comments online including mumsnet, and the support for that view seems to be increasing.

Agreed. It’s such a nonsense argument.

“My child doesn’t get to wear ear defenders!” That’s because they don’t need them.

It’s a bit like saying you unfairly don’t have access to a wheelchair, when you have no mobility issues.

soupyspoon · 21/11/2025 18:34

Portlypig · 20/11/2025 12:24

In cases like this, I don’t think the placement should’ve been granted, no.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9v12dwddmwo.amp

Im sure someone else has asked this of you, long thread, but what do you mean the placement shouldnt have been 'granted'?

Children in care have to be placed 'somewhere' and if the only placement offer you have is an emergency placement, which many of the activity centre placements are, then they're all around 20k a week, give or take. Its not particularly extraordinary.

Jade3450 · 22/11/2025 16:31

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2025 12:14

Agreed. It’s such a nonsense argument.

“My child doesn’t get to wear ear defenders!” That’s because they don’t need them.

It’s a bit like saying you unfairly don’t have access to a wheelchair, when you have no mobility issues.

It’s not quite like for like though, is it?

One child might insist that they ‘need’ ear defenders while another with a similar level of sensitivity might just get on with it.

Or it might be the parent doing the insisting.

In the case of wheelchair users there’s a clear definition of need. There isn’t here.