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Fancy cars for disabled people

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LemaxObsessive · 16/11/2025 19:23

Motability.

I am sick to absolute death of seeing people saying on various threads, that Motability vehicles are “given” to us disabled people “for free”.

PIP is awarded in 2 separate elements.

  1. Daily Living (day to day care needs etc)
  2. Mobility
Each element is paid at different rates depending on how affected by your disability you are (and yes, medical evidence is required). However, to be eligible for Motability, you need to be getting the highest rate of the Mobility element. This is currently £77.05 per week (which works out at £308.20 per 4 weeks or £333.88 per month).

When you join Motability you agree for the DWP to give Motability that £77.05 per week instead of it being paid to your bank. If you also receive the Daily Living element of PIP then you will still receive that directly.

You ALSO, in most cases, have to pay an advance payment (AP) for the vehicle. The better the vehicle, the higher the AP. You do not get the AP back.
The £77.05 per week pays for the lease of the car, insurance, roadside assistance, tyres & windshield cover. Disabled people in receipt of the highest rate of the PIP mobility element are already exempt from road tax.

With regards to the ‘fancy’ cars such as BMW, Audi & Mercedes, as you can imagine all of these have a whopping great AP in the multiple thousands of pounds; Which as I said, you don’t get back.
The taxpayer is not paying a penny towards these vehicles besides the fact that Motability don’t currently pay VAT which I believe is up for discussion.

I think a really important point to make here is that PIP is categorically not means tested (even millionaires can claim it, provided their health meets the criteria) and is not paid to replace a disabled person’s income! In other words, people do not live off PIP instead of working, it is paid to cover the added costs associated with being disabled. Costs non-disabled people likely have never even considered, such as cleaners when we can’t do it, basic gardening when we can’t do it, extra electricity for when medical equipment is used at home, ready meals when we’re bed-bound, delivery charges for every single thing we buy because click & collect isn't possible, taxis to work because the bus always already has a wheelchair user on it, along with lots of other small but mounting costs we have zero choice but to pay because the alternative isn’t an option for us. The lowest rate of PIP is just £29.20 per week so we’re not talking big money!

Millions of PIP claimants work full time but crucially, couldn’t do so without PIP and in many cases, without Motability!

As I said above, even wealthy people are eligible to claim PIP to cover the added costs associated with their disability and they can, if they receive the highest rate of the Mobility Component of PIP choose to use Motability. If they want to spend £7,999 plus £77.05 per week to lease an Audi Q4 for 3 years then they can but not many do because it’s a lot of money to have nothing to show for it after 3 years.

So no, nobody is being ‘given free BMWs, Audis or Mercedes’ regardless of what’s being said by anyone!

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OP posts:
custardcreme77 · 17/11/2025 05:21

Joeninety · 16/11/2025 21:24

Do they give away free porches too ?

Hmm, I’ll give the free porch a miss but I’d quite like a conservatory.

bottledboot · 17/11/2025 05:31

Do people think it should be means tested? Are they annoyed that someone who can afford a fancy car doesn’t necessarily need tax payers money?

bottledboot · 17/11/2025 05:39

welfare costs are rising, but they're small peanuts compared to other spending, as you well know.

welfare is huge! particularly with an ageing population

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

sashh · 17/11/2025 05:40

youalright · 16/11/2025 23:05

So shes not disabled but she has a life time dla award and a mobility car and shes in her 80s sounds believable.

All apart from the lifetime award. No one gets that any more.

My initial award was a life time award of DLA. Then it became an indeterminant (they might have used a different word).

Then they moved me to PIP and decided I could walk because I can drive (yep a motability car with adaptions).

At appeal I got 3 year award and that has just been renewed.

It makes me so angry that they don't do lifetime awards for anyone, it's not as if limbs grow back

sashh · 17/11/2025 05:46

bottledboot · 17/11/2025 05:31

Do people think it should be means tested? Are they annoyed that someone who can afford a fancy car doesn’t necessarily need tax payers money?

Absolutely not. Being disabled is expensive whether you live on benefits in a council flat or as a previous PM 10 downing St, with a personal wealth of millions.

Simonjt · 17/11/2025 05:46

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:01

See my other post.

In her early 80s. She has had issues with pain in her knees for a long time and is on prescribed medication for them.

But she is fiercely independent. Walks everywhere (to be fair, everything she needs is within walking distance. Says it keeps her young and fit. She shops online etc.

If she’s in her early 80’s she would have needed a fake ID, fake NI number and fake NHS/medical evidence as the oldest someone can be and currently claiming PIP is 76.

Simonjt · 17/11/2025 05:52

Kendodd · 16/11/2025 22:43

That wasn't quite my question. The PP said their options where -

  1. Mobility car = go to work.
  2. No mobility car = go on UC

I didn't understand and was asking why paying for your own car out of own earnings was not an option.

I tried to ask politely and wasn't having a go. There might be some very reasonable reason why paying for their own car to get to work wasn't an option.

Can you price up a vehicle that can take a large and heavy power chair with the user inside, while also have room for two children in car seats and the driver. Ta.

Simonjt · 17/11/2025 05:54

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 23:01

No, I absolutely didn’t.

Go back and read my posts. I never mentioned PIP.

I said she claimed DLA back in the day and you said “Dla has nothing to do with pip”.

I had to google because I know nothing about benefits.

Google told me that DLA changed over to PIP. I posted that.

You told me that wasn’t the case.

I googled again and found out that actually, you are eligible for Motability if you are recieving DLA. It doesn’t have to be PIP.

Apologies, I am clearly not a benefit expert like you. But you were the first one of us to mention PIP and you totally sidetracked me because I know nothing about benefits.

I said she received DLA and only DLA.

Your brought up PIP.

Also, I never said she had lifetime DLA for knee pain.

I said she claimed DLA. I said that she categorically isn’t disabled. I said the only condition I am aware she currently has is knee pain.

Please quote me where I said any of things you say I did.

You are so desperate for me to be making this up that you’ve resorted to lying.

Adults no longer receive DLA and haven’t for over ten years. You have to be a child to be in reciept of DLA.

bottledboot · 17/11/2025 05:59

Absolutely not. Being disabled is expensive whether you live on benefits in a council flat or as a previous PM 10 downing St, with a personal wealth of millions

Costs can vary massively though. I can’t really believe the majority of the public object to someone missing a leg & using a wheelchair receiving a mobility car. I do think a large proportion of the public object to people receiving disability benefits for things like ADHD etc.

I undersrand the principles for not means testing but equally have a relative who receives AA. All legitimate & deserving but hes a millionaire so the money just goes to dc or to holiday budget.

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 06:29

Simonjt · 17/11/2025 05:54

Adults no longer receive DLA and haven’t for over ten years. You have to be a child to be in reciept of DLA.

This is truly tedious.

Google says:

”Some adults still receive DLA, but new claims are no longer accepted for people aged 16 and over. Those who were born on or before April 8, 1948, can continue to receive DLA, while those born after will have their DLA replaced by Personal Independence Payment (PIP) at some point, at which point they will receive a letter inviting them to claim”

Maybe double check before you want to insinuate someone is lying.

I don’t understand the reluctance to accept what I am saying.

I have been posting on Mumsnet for years. I’m not just going to start making stuff up about my life.

I’m talking about benefit fraud in my own family. It’s hardly a flex…

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 06:30

Simonjt · 17/11/2025 05:46

If she’s in her early 80’s she would have needed a fake ID, fake NI number and fake NHS/medical evidence as the oldest someone can be and currently claiming PIP is 76.

I don’t know what you’re talking about - I never mentioned PIP. As I’ve been forced to repeat numerous times.

LilyTheLD77 · 17/11/2025 06:35

The country cannot afford this massive welfare bill

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 06:41

bottledboot · 17/11/2025 05:31

Do people think it should be means tested? Are they annoyed that someone who can afford a fancy car doesn’t necessarily need tax payers money?

I didn’t know it wasn’t means tested.

I think all benefits should be means tested.

I can’t quite understand why taxpayer money would be given to someone who doesn’t need it.

Marshmallow4545 · 17/11/2025 06:53

bottledboot · 17/11/2025 05:31

Do people think it should be means tested? Are they annoyed that someone who can afford a fancy car doesn’t necessarily need tax payers money?

I think this is an area of concern, yes. I think your view on this would largely depend on how you view the role of the State, the welfare system and how this interplays with personal responsibility.

If you think that ultimately you are responsible for yourself and that the State is there as a safety net for those that genuinely can't support themselves (disabled or not) then you could argue that means testing PIP is appropriate. Afterall only those that can genuinely not support themselves without it would be eligible.

If you think that the State has a larger role in removing the disadvantages incurred by people that are disabled then you would be more opposed to means testing PIP.

Personally I think the latter approach is a slippery slope where we look to the State to equalise things that simply can't be equalised. It places an unsustainable, unrealistic and unaffordable burden on the system and will ultimately lead to an awful lot of public money being spent on qualifying people. This will inevitably mean there will be a constant pressure to cut numbers and for people to prove that they are worthy of the help meanwhile there is absolutely nothing left for those who are struggling just below this threshold and are expected to not only cope without this help but to pay for those that do qualify. It's creating a crazy, binary, two tier system when we all know life isn't like this. Nobody should be driving around in a state subsidised luxury car.

Simonjt · 17/11/2025 07:01

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 06:41

I didn’t know it wasn’t means tested.

I think all benefits should be means tested.

I can’t quite understand why taxpayer money would be given to someone who doesn’t need it.

It take it you then won’t claim one of the UKs most costly state benefit, the state pension. Or is it a case of do as I say, not as I do?

OneAlertOliveFinch · 17/11/2025 07:02

I personally know of 2 people on PIP.

One person is Bipolar and needs it to attend mental health appointments. She hasn't been in years and has been on benefits since 18.

The second is in full time work and claims it for POTS. Claims she cannot use public transport and her POTS is so bad she has episodes of fainting so cannot drive herself. Has never had a flare up while working in a highly physical job. Her husband used to drive her. They have split up and she lives by herself. Now her POTS has magically gotten better and can now drive.

This is why people angry.

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 07:09

Simonjt · 17/11/2025 07:01

It take it you then won’t claim one of the UKs most costly state benefit, the state pension. Or is it a case of do as I say, not as I do?

Who knows where the state pension will be when I retire.

But I have a private pension, amongst other financial investments and provisions I’ve made for my future. I certainly don’t need the state pension and couldn’t care less if it was eventually means tested and I missed out on it. It might certainly be the direction the country eventually needs to go on if things continue as they are.

MarieAntoinetteQueenOfFrance · 17/11/2025 07:09

I think we need to differentiate on weather someone needs a car to be adjusted for their needs eg wheelchair hoist or ramp, or if the car can be used without alterations.

Someone who needs alterations absolutely should get the best car for their needs and maximum financial assistance. However, if there are no alterations needed for older teenagers or adults I would question the amount of financial support that should be given. The whole benefits system is broken, but we should always look after the most vulnerable in society.

SouthernAccents · 17/11/2025 07:12

Thank you for the detailed post, OP.

bottledboot · 17/11/2025 07:13

I think all benefits should be means tested.

including the state pension?

bottledboot · 17/11/2025 07:14

The whole benefits system is broken, but we should always look after the most vulnerable in society.

I agree

bottledboot · 17/11/2025 07:15

It might certainly be the direction the country eventually needs to go on if things continue as they are.

It's inevitable really as there won't be much left.

Octavia64 · 17/11/2025 07:16

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 06:29

This is truly tedious.

Google says:

”Some adults still receive DLA, but new claims are no longer accepted for people aged 16 and over. Those who were born on or before April 8, 1948, can continue to receive DLA, while those born after will have their DLA replaced by Personal Independence Payment (PIP) at some point, at which point they will receive a letter inviting them to claim”

Maybe double check before you want to insinuate someone is lying.

I don’t understand the reluctance to accept what I am saying.

I have been posting on Mumsnet for years. I’m not just going to start making stuff up about my life.

I’m talking about benefit fraud in my own family. It’s hardly a flex…

I am slightly regretting posting this, but please don’t use google for backing this up.

the benefits system is hugely complex and changes a lot over time.

google clearly found one of the documents from when pip was being introduced.

it used to be the case that everyone was on DLA.

these days DLA is for children under 16. At 16 you transition either to pip (if in the U.K. but not Scotland) or adp which is the Scottish disability scheme

Scotland doesn’t have pip it has its own scheme which is different.

so it’s (as ever with benefits) more complex than it looks.

Urmam · 17/11/2025 07:22

sashh · 17/11/2025 05:46

Absolutely not. Being disabled is expensive whether you live on benefits in a council flat or as a previous PM 10 downing St, with a personal wealth of millions.

Indeed. But it's also expensive to be disabled when you don't quite meet the threshold for pip. Why should those people's taxes pay for a millionaire to get a nice car?

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 07:23

Octavia64 · 17/11/2025 07:16

I am slightly regretting posting this, but please don’t use google for backing this up.

the benefits system is hugely complex and changes a lot over time.

google clearly found one of the documents from when pip was being introduced.

it used to be the case that everyone was on DLA.

these days DLA is for children under 16. At 16 you transition either to pip (if in the U.K. but not Scotland) or adp which is the Scottish disability scheme

Scotland doesn’t have pip it has its own scheme which is different.

so it’s (as ever with benefits) more complex than it looks.

All I’ve done is share my experience of Motability, but I’ve got people following me about this thread insinuating or outright accusing me of lying, when I’m absolutely not.

The problem is, I have no option but to Google because I have no knowledge of benefits or the benefits system in general.

However, I am based in Scotland and had no idea Scotland had it’s own benefit system. Complex indeed.

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