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Fancy cars for disabled people

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LemaxObsessive · 16/11/2025 19:23

Motability.

I am sick to absolute death of seeing people saying on various threads, that Motability vehicles are “given” to us disabled people “for free”.

PIP is awarded in 2 separate elements.

  1. Daily Living (day to day care needs etc)
  2. Mobility
Each element is paid at different rates depending on how affected by your disability you are (and yes, medical evidence is required). However, to be eligible for Motability, you need to be getting the highest rate of the Mobility element. This is currently £77.05 per week (which works out at £308.20 per 4 weeks or £333.88 per month).

When you join Motability you agree for the DWP to give Motability that £77.05 per week instead of it being paid to your bank. If you also receive the Daily Living element of PIP then you will still receive that directly.

You ALSO, in most cases, have to pay an advance payment (AP) for the vehicle. The better the vehicle, the higher the AP. You do not get the AP back.
The £77.05 per week pays for the lease of the car, insurance, roadside assistance, tyres & windshield cover. Disabled people in receipt of the highest rate of the PIP mobility element are already exempt from road tax.

With regards to the ‘fancy’ cars such as BMW, Audi & Mercedes, as you can imagine all of these have a whopping great AP in the multiple thousands of pounds; Which as I said, you don’t get back.
The taxpayer is not paying a penny towards these vehicles besides the fact that Motability don’t currently pay VAT which I believe is up for discussion.

I think a really important point to make here is that PIP is categorically not means tested (even millionaires can claim it, provided their health meets the criteria) and is not paid to replace a disabled person’s income! In other words, people do not live off PIP instead of working, it is paid to cover the added costs associated with being disabled. Costs non-disabled people likely have never even considered, such as cleaners when we can’t do it, basic gardening when we can’t do it, extra electricity for when medical equipment is used at home, ready meals when we’re bed-bound, delivery charges for every single thing we buy because click & collect isn't possible, taxis to work because the bus always already has a wheelchair user on it, along with lots of other small but mounting costs we have zero choice but to pay because the alternative isn’t an option for us. The lowest rate of PIP is just £29.20 per week so we’re not talking big money!

Millions of PIP claimants work full time but crucially, couldn’t do so without PIP and in many cases, without Motability!

As I said above, even wealthy people are eligible to claim PIP to cover the added costs associated with their disability and they can, if they receive the highest rate of the Mobility Component of PIP choose to use Motability. If they want to spend £7,999 plus £77.05 per week to lease an Audi Q4 for 3 years then they can but not many do because it’s a lot of money to have nothing to show for it after 3 years.

So no, nobody is being ‘given free BMWs, Audis or Mercedes’ regardless of what’s being said by anyone!

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Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:23

Pandersmum · 16/11/2025 22:20

I think there are some people who will exaggerate their situation for financial gain (because the system allows this) and they find a way to generate the necessary evidence.

Of course there are!

It’s astounding to me that anyone thinks this kind of thing doesn’t happen.

MidnightPatrol · 16/11/2025 22:24

Anyahyacinth · 16/11/2025 22:17

As we raise the retirement age …what else was going to happen but growth with these statistics? How anyone could envy a life on benefits defeats me…or not be aware of how hard it is to be disabled…it’s a stupid focus when so much tax avoidance and profiteering is happening …absolute peanuts and attacking the vulnerable

It’s not people envying those on benefits.

You misunderstand why people are questioning these kinds of benefits - it’s largely about the scale of th, the rapid growth in claimants, and the long-term affordability of them.

Do you think there’s anything iffy at all about a 150% increase in the number of people claiming for a motability car in the space of five years?

SummerFeverVenice · 16/11/2025 22:24

IToldMyCatAboutYou · 16/11/2025 22:19

Genuine question here as I'm really, really curious about how this is possible. I don't know this person personally, they're a social media personality but I'm just baffled at to how this is possible. Not slating anything at all as I myself receive enhanced care and mobility.

16 year old girl, diagnosed with ADHD, passed her test and received a mobility car at 16. Obviously a mobility car as she was still only 16 so not legal otherwise.

No mobility issues, was previously traveling via train to a different city daily to attend college to study dance and competes in dance comps so very physically able. This surely cannot be right?

There’s probably more to it than that. Being a personality doesn’t mean they are going to share everything with you, she may have MS for all you know and the dancing is to try and preserve her mobility for as long as possible.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

youalright · 16/11/2025 22:25

Octavia64 · 16/11/2025 22:19

The pp is suggesting that someone aged 80 cannot be on pip.

this is because the only way to be on pip if you are over state pension age is to have been on it before you reached state pension age.

pip was introduced in 2013. So say someone claimed it age 64 and 364 days, the oldest they could be now is 76 and 364 days.

so your nan who is 80 cannot be on pip.

And the exact reason why I was asking her age as to prove to to the gullible people on here how much we have to deal with people making up random shit to make disabled people look bad. Its always a story about a relative or a neighbour who apparently got pip so easily and there is nothing wrong with them and its always people who have no clue about pip

MidnightPatrol · 16/11/2025 22:26

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:23

Of course there are!

It’s astounding to me that anyone thinks this kind of thing doesn’t happen.

I assume the faux naïveté is because they know full well it’s an issue, but fear if it’s addressed they could find themselves worse off (rightly or wrongly!).

SummerFeverVenice · 16/11/2025 22:27

MidnightPatrol · 16/11/2025 22:24

It’s not people envying those on benefits.

You misunderstand why people are questioning these kinds of benefits - it’s largely about the scale of th, the rapid growth in claimants, and the long-term affordability of them.

Do you think there’s anything iffy at all about a 150% increase in the number of people claiming for a motability car in the space of five years?

Not by itself, no. After all, you need to know the # in people getting higher mobility rate 5yrs ago and now.

After all 150% increase in using it for a motability car could actually happen even if the number of people getting the higher mobility rate has gone down.

redange · 16/11/2025 22:27

Octavia64 · Today 22:00

Have you not got moved to UC or received a migration notice were/are you in ESA Support Group.. Is Contributory ESA continuing ...

Thanks though will tell him

PropertyD · 16/11/2025 22:30

MidnightPatrol · 16/11/2025 22:24

It’s not people envying those on benefits.

You misunderstand why people are questioning these kinds of benefits - it’s largely about the scale of th, the rapid growth in claimants, and the long-term affordability of them.

Do you think there’s anything iffy at all about a 150% increase in the number of people claiming for a motability car in the space of five years?

This. And yet people keep claiming it’s all legitimate claims

CareerChange24 · 16/11/2025 22:30

MidnightPatrol · 16/11/2025 19:43

“Millions of PIP claimants work full time but crucially, couldn’t do so without PIP and in many cases, without Motability!”

There are 3.8 million people in receipt of PIP.

16% are in work.

There were 860,000 motability cars on the road in April of 2025 - and that number is growing.

The taxpayer is paying for these vehicles, as the scheme is funded by PIP payments.

You assume the money is spent regardless and therefore ‘doesn’t count’ as people would still be in receipt of it - but, I think that’s a big part of people’s queries triggered by this scheme, do so many people need additional mobility funding?

49% of ADHD claimants get the higher rate mobility allowance, according to DWP data.

Is that really true, for adhd?? But why?? If true, that is bound to cause resentment from tax payers.

mumsnit1 · 16/11/2025 22:31

Octavia64 · 16/11/2025 22:11

i’ll answer this in part.

to get higher level mobility you need to be able to not walk 20 metres OR be sufficiently mentally ill that you never leave the house.

I only have experience of the first so that’s what I’ll address.

so, people who can walk more than 20 metres have options for getting to work.

they could walk. Some people (particularly those in cities, do). But if you are on high rate mobility you can’t walk more than 20 metres.

some people get the bus. Again, there’s fewer buses around than there used to be. The bus stop is probably more than 20 metres. If you have a wheelchair (and the nhs basically don’t provide them anymore, you have to buy your own) then the bus may or may not be accessible. Some cities guarantee wheelchair accessible buses (as does the Lake District!) but I live in a small town in east Anglia and the official line is “we try to provide wheelchair accessible buses where possible” which as far as I can see is never.

some people get the train. Most trains are not wheelchair accessible unless you prebook assistance which basically means getting someone at the station to unlock the ramp and put it between the train and platform. I travel by train quite a lot and in my experience the percentage of fuckups to ok journeys is about 50% and I once really damaged a wheelchair getting off (while in it!) a west coast mainline train because nobody met the train and the station was unmanned and the passengers were rude gits. I was lucky not to damage me.

so in these circumstances, trying to be there, safely, without damaging you or your wheelchair for job, much less being on time, is bloody difficult if you are a wheelchair user. Cars are a fuckton more reliable.

And millions of people drive as their commute is not possible by public transport for a myriad of reasons. They have to fund their car for their commute out of their earnings, the PP question was why would a disabled person doing the same job not be expected to do the same?

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:32

Octavia64 · 16/11/2025 22:19

The pp is suggesting that someone aged 80 cannot be on pip.

this is because the only way to be on pip if you are over state pension age is to have been on it before you reached state pension age.

pip was introduced in 2013. So say someone claimed it age 64 and 364 days, the oldest they could be now is 76 and 364 days.

so your nan who is 80 cannot be on pip.

But she is, though.

I believe she was receiving DLA back in the day.

I have no idea why she was receiving DLA but can categorically state, however, that she is in no way disabled.

I grew up in quite a deprived area where claiming benefits and benefit fraud in general, was and still is common.

It is shocking to have so many people tell me I’m lying.

What purpose does denying the abuse and misuse of the welfare system actually serve?

PropertyD · 16/11/2025 22:33

CareerChange24 · 16/11/2025 22:30

Is that really true, for adhd?? But why?? If true, that is bound to cause resentment from tax payers.

49% of ADHD claims!! Quite honestly these figures are not sustainable.

redange · 16/11/2025 22:33

The thing is he inherited his family home and moved to a small flat putting 80% of the amount received for the home in the bank, He lives off that and the Interest he receives plus PIP daily Enhanced.

Whether people feel sorry for his economic position or not is not the point, just that the Government absolves any responsibility to support a Disabled Person is appalling.

MidnightPatrol · 16/11/2025 22:33

SummerFeverVenice · 16/11/2025 22:27

Not by itself, no. After all, you need to know the # in people getting higher mobility rate 5yrs ago and now.

After all 150% increase in using it for a motability car could actually happen even if the number of people getting the higher mobility rate has gone down.

The number of people claiming higher rate mobility is 142% higher in 2024 vs 2019
.
This is the problem - more claims, higher claims. The cost of funding this is forecast to double over this parliament. It’s completely unsustainable.

Summerdoll · 16/11/2025 22:34

MidnightPatrol · 16/11/2025 20:15

This is the problem with these discussions. It’s straight to ‘do you think disabled people should be poor’ etc - emotional stuff, at an extreme.

And no - obviously, people don’t think that.

Bit, do you not think there is something a bit questionable about 860,000+ people needing a state-funded, taxed, insured, maintained car - a figure which has increased by 150% in 5 years (and continues to rise).

Is there anything at all about that situation which might raise eyebrows?

This.
I dont begrudge adated vehicles atall.
But everyone else should have a small car to get from a to b, government funded so basic needs should be met only, the fancy BMW etc should not even be an option it's taking the piss, im working and paying into the system so I am free to have an opinion.

ccquad · 16/11/2025 22:34

redange · 16/11/2025 22:14

ccquad · Today 22:12

Why are you having to justify your PIP and why you need a Car...

Because it increasingly feels like everyone who is in receipt of PIP is seen as a scrounger. I am very aware of how differently I am regarded now I am disabled. But I’m still the same person - just missing a few bits.
Any group of people will contain a few who are out for what they can get. The problem is that the current assumption seems to be that the majority of disabled people falll into that category.

youalright · 16/11/2025 22:34

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:32

But she is, though.

I believe she was receiving DLA back in the day.

I have no idea why she was receiving DLA but can categorically state, however, that she is in no way disabled.

I grew up in quite a deprived area where claiming benefits and benefit fraud in general, was and still is common.

It is shocking to have so many people tell me I’m lying.

What purpose does denying the abuse and misuse of the welfare system actually serve?

Edited

Because what you are stating isnt possible. Dla has nothing to do with pip. You've been caught in a lie just admit it. What do you gain from making out so many disabled people are committing fraud

SummerFeverVenice · 16/11/2025 22:36

MidnightPatrol · 16/11/2025 22:26

I assume the faux naïveté is because they know full well it’s an issue, but fear if it’s addressed they could find themselves worse off (rightly or wrongly!).

If you were the government, where would you put your efforts against benefit fraud?

The rate of fraud for different benefits in the year ending April 2024 was:

  • Universal credit (UC) 10.9% of £81bn = £8.83bn lost
  • Pension credit (PC) 3.9% of £5bn
  • Housing benefit (HB) 3.9% of £4bn
  • Personal independence payment (PIP) 0% of £22bn
Thisbastardcomputer · 16/11/2025 22:36

Well my hairdresser has a beautiful bmw all paid for by his mother’s pip

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:37

youalright · 16/11/2025 22:34

Because what you are stating isnt possible. Dla has nothing to do with pip. You've been caught in a lie just admit it. What do you gain from making out so many disabled people are committing fraud

I am not lying. At all.

Dla has nothing to do with pip.

PIP replaced DLA. Seems like you’re the liar.

LlamaNoDrama · 16/11/2025 22:37

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 21:44

I can’t imagine being this naive.

My cousin has sole use of my gran’s Motability car.

My gran is perfectly fine and able to get around on her own, and she does.

She has no benefit from the vehicle.

They are not some kind of evil geniuses - they are absolutely not the only ones doing this.

So have you reported them?

youalright · 16/11/2025 22:37

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:37

I am not lying. At all.

Dla has nothing to do with pip.

PIP replaced DLA. Seems like you’re the liar.

No it didn't

SummerFeverVenice · 16/11/2025 22:38

MidnightPatrol · 16/11/2025 22:33

The number of people claiming higher rate mobility is 142% higher in 2024 vs 2019
.
This is the problem - more claims, higher claims. The cost of funding this is forecast to double over this parliament. It’s completely unsustainable.

That’s a symptom, not a problem. The problem is sum of the root causes of the increase in ill health that drives the claims.

You want fewer disabled people, improve healthcare.

youalright · 16/11/2025 22:39

Thisbastardcomputer · 16/11/2025 22:36

Well my hairdresser has a beautiful bmw all paid for by his mother’s pip

Is his mother also in her 80s 🤣🤣🤣

ForWittyTealOP · 16/11/2025 22:40

MidnightPatrol · 16/11/2025 19:43

“Millions of PIP claimants work full time but crucially, couldn’t do so without PIP and in many cases, without Motability!”

There are 3.8 million people in receipt of PIP.

16% are in work.

There were 860,000 motability cars on the road in April of 2025 - and that number is growing.

The taxpayer is paying for these vehicles, as the scheme is funded by PIP payments.

You assume the money is spent regardless and therefore ‘doesn’t count’ as people would still be in receipt of it - but, I think that’s a big part of people’s queries triggered by this scheme, do so many people need additional mobility funding?

49% of ADHD claimants get the higher rate mobility allowance, according to DWP data.

My child has ADHD. They're a teenager and still walk into the path of cars if nobody is accompanying them, keeping a close eye out and prepared to grab hold of their arm at any moment.

Not sure what the point is of the general moaning about those with ADHD getting PIP. Do people still think it's about being a naughty child? It affects every area of life.

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