The BBC are screwed, aren't they?

[kinkytoes]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c891jp9j79do

Are we ever going to find out who actually made the monumental fuck up? Rather than just a homogenous apology from the top.

Is this person/people still working for them?

I actually understand why Trump is doing this. You can't just let something so wrong pass by or they'll just keep doing it.

I said it was more balanced in the one respect that they always have an opposing point of view. That cannot be said of the Beeb. The gender critical view was never allowed to be heard. GB news, on the other hand, has Peter Tatchell on the panel every time gender issues are discussed.

Trump probably doesn’t understand that
a) the BBC doesn’t have $1bn
b)even if it did, the BBC is akin to a mutual - it isn’t a profit making business (at least not in the way it pays dividends to shareholders, profit is reinvested)
c) the BBC’s money it not really its money. It belongs to the British public, who would ultimately be the people that suffer rather than the BBc per se

It’s terrible.

i am no fan of Trump and I have no interest in American politics whatsoever. But come on! There’s enough AI shite and fake news out there and it’s getting worse and worse all the time. We should be able to trust outlets like the BBC. It’s disgraceful.

You aren't a successful TV station in the US unless Trump has threatened to sue you at least once.

The BBC have damaged their own reputation ,this is a home goal. They don't need anyone's team to smear them
That's what is so awful about this.

People trust panorama

The two interviews by the people who resigned were pitiful and cringe worthy. They didn't take any responsibility for it and said fight for journalism ?

They the people who took the speech and doctored it have made that fight harder.

Ridiculous. But shows the level of brain washing and delusions there.

I really don’t understand all the vitriol against the bbc. It absolutely has made mistakes as any human organization does, but it is more than just a news channel.

My children grew with cbeebies, cbbc, which produce brilliant programs, the radio stations, dedicated local news, local politics, it’s website, gcse bitesize. The comedy shows, the drama, podcasts, the soft power and international reach of the bbc all combine to form an organization of which everyone should be proud.

Instead we have posters recommending GBNews and backing the convicted felon, rapist and proven liar that is Donald Trump. Openly advocating that he should sue for our money over a program which wasn’t even available to watch in the US. How on earth can he prove reputational damage? How on earth can people support a foreign power interfering with a national asset?

The bbc has its faults, but we would be poorer without it.

Still laughing at her comment. Mental.

If I tried to use GB News as a source on a Wikipedia article I'd get demoted immediately (though someone would probably enquire about my health first).

It simply isn't true to say that the gender critical view was never allowed to be heard on the BBC. It was heard. Maybe not enough, but it is factually incorrect to suggest that well-known gender critical voices haven't been featured.

As for GB news, they very transparently use the "opposing point of view" as a means of strengthening and reinforcing their own right wing narrative. If you can't see how viewers are being manipulated, then I guess that just shows how effective their propaganda channel is.

I didn't make the comment I have been accused of making.

The BBC has shown bias for years, usually directed against issues/figures associated with the left (ignoring Palestine deaths, huge anti-Corbyn bias when he was standing for election, constantly giving Farage’s party a political platform when he didn’t have a single MP, constantly giving climate change deniers a platform to spout nonsense in the interest of “balance” etc).

But regardless - it will always be biased on one issue or another because the very act of reporting news (… and by necessity not reporting/minimising other news) is a political act. Even a robot/AI cannot escape that bias.

Yes individual mistakes (if that’s what you want to call them) should always b e reviewed, but the BBC will always be biased to an extent, sometimes by accident sometimes by design. Just hopefully slightly less than basically every other major broadcaster and national newspaper. So the only question that really matters is whether people would rather a flawed BBC or no BBC at all.

I personally hate the BBC’s built in soft C establishment bias, but in a world increasingly dominated by the idiotic right wing populism espoused by Trump, Farage, and Musk and cheered on by the likes of Mail, Telegraph, and the Sun - I view it as a necessary evil.

It wasn't heard in any meaningful way. An internal LGBTQ+ group was allowed to define Sex Matters as a terrorist group and prevent them being allowed to present their views. This was in the report that was suppressed.

Wasn't it the bcc who ran the program on Palestine with the hammas narrative ?

He worked for Radio Woking, which is not a bbc station - he may have appeared on bbc radio as part of a local partnership, I don’t know, but he didn’t work for them. And his crime and sentencing was reported by the BBC on their website, probably because he was the founder of Pride in Surrey.

I also don’t think you could call him “well known”.

And even if he did work for bbc radio Surrey, I wouldn’t expect the story to be given any more national prominence by the bbc (or by another other outlet) than if he worked for another organisation (as in fact he did). If the news was going to report on all convictions for rape of a child, they’d be reporting multiple cases a day. So they (the bbc and others) don’t report on almost all of those individuals. His isn’t some lone case that didn’t get coverage while all other child rapes are widely reported.

So Wikipedia is biased against certain news sources? I didn't realise that, thank you.

I’m not a fan of Trump, quite the opposite. He came across as a sore loser after losing the election to Biden.

However I’m really really shocked by the editing. BBC are supposed to be trustworthy and non biased, but this is appalling and I hope they get hauled over the coals for this.

The main problem with that Trump edit was that it actually made the man sound coherent for once, pulling his usual nonsensical rambling right-wing bullshit into a single coherent sentence/point. Maybe Vance and Co should be looking to hire whoever edited that video?

If you ever want to know how weird the BBC is, try talking about it with any random person from another country. It’s impossible to do so without sounding like a cult member 😂

Like the person upthread who said it was the highest profile news organisation on planet earth or some bs. No, it isn’t 😂 Most people in other countries wouldn’t even know what you were on about if you mentioned it. Most countries have a state broadcaster, there’s nothing special about ours. Quit being brainwashed by this cult.

What have you seen on GB News that was worse than editing a speech by one of the two US presidential candidates one week before an election in order to deliberately mislead the public that he was trying to instigate a riot?

And what have you seen on there that was worse than repeatedly saying men who rape and kill women are 'women' if they like wearing their victims' clothes?

The BBC is our national broadcaster. They are supposed to be impartial, but they are blatantly biased. If this incident doesn’t prove it, then I don’t know what does. I’m not surprised people are cancelling their licences.

Indeed. They set themselves up as the Ministry of Truth and couple of years ago when they started their BBC Verify, one source of truth news arm. If they can’t “Verify©️” their own programmes before broadcast, it just goes to show how twisted everything else is that they tell us.

Don't be silly. Nobody who criticises GB News actually watches it or listens to it for more than a minute.

If Trump doesn't get what he wants he will take it out in other vengeful ways.

It's got to the point that maybe we should just be impressed that they can spell GB News

But arguably, he did start a riot. Whether the speech was doctored or not, he incited the January 6th insurrection through his rhetoric.

Agree.

I remember seeing one piece they did where they interviewed people on the streets of Scottish cities to ask why they are so much more relaxed about immigration than south of the border. Lots of ‘we’re just better people’ ‘we’re just more open to others’ etc

Absolutely no mention of the tiny population, far lower population density, cheaper housing etc - all the factors that make immigration harder to accommodate when you don’t have them.

I just remember thinking they’re not even interested in a practical discussion, just one that uses pure emotion to make anyone who disagrees with their left wing agenda look like a closed minded NIMBY.